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|    Lee Lofaso to Bill McGarrity    |
|    Democracy Explained to Kids    |
|    04 Sep 13 20:13:49    |
      Hello Bill,               LL>>> You can find bad people in every neighborhood. Right-wingers        LL>>> like to point out that Rev. Martin Luther King was a troublemaker,        LL>>> a black man who spoke for a violent people, all of whom happened        LL>>> to also be black. No white minister would ever encourage white        LL>>> folks to disobey cops and other law enforcement officials. There        LL>>> is a reason why no Republican spoke at the Lincoln Memorial on        LL>>> the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream"        LL>>> speech. There is also a reason why no Republicans were invited        LL>>> by the organizers to speak.               BM>> Oh... none were invited? Sounds like you jumped on the O'Reilly        BM>> ASSumed bandwagon.               LL>> Former Republican Party Chairman Michael Steel made that announcement        LL>> on MSNBC - not on FoxNews or Bill O'Reilly's show.              BM>        BM> But many members of the GOP WERE invited, including Sen. Scott and all the        BM> GOP members of Congress. They all refused. O'Rielly went on-air and        BM> stated there were no invites yet the next day he came with the "ASSumed"        BM> rhetoric that none were when in reality they were. You see the way things        BM> are done, invites go out. If the invited accepts, then a spot is created        BM> for them to speak. If they decline, then other arraingements are made.        BM> The spots guaranteed for the GOP were for the elite of the party, as it        BM> should be.              On MSNBC, Chris Matthews made a statement that no Republicans were       invited. Michael Steel then corrected him, explaining how the       organizers of the event ran the show. Steel's explanation was, in       effect, the same as what you wrote.              Because no Republicans spoke at the event, it gave the appearance       that Republicans do not care about black folks, or about MLK's "I       Have a Dream" speech. Of course, appearances can be deceiving, as       it is silly to think that all/many/most Republicans are racist.               BK>> The reality has been it isn't white or black, but haves and have        BK>> nots. The haves have taken more from the poor black community        BK>> than the poor black community ever got back.               LL>>> For Republicans, it really is about white or black. It wasn't always        LL>>> like that, but it is today. For example, George Romney received 30%        LL>>> of the black vote as a candidate for governor of Michigan. Mitt LL>        BM> Romney received 6% of the black vote as a candidate for president.        LL>> That is how much the Republican Party has changed over the years.               BK>>> Remember Mitt Romney's infamous 47%?               LL>>> George Romney marched with MLK and the blacks for freedom.        LL>>> Mitt Romney refused to speak at the Lincoln Memorial for the        LL>>> 50th anniversary of MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech. What a        LL>>> tremendous opportunity that was missed by Mitt Romney and the        LL>>> Republican Party. Even Michael Steel admitted the GOP goofed.               BM>> Agreed.... which only enhances their commitment to a segregated        BM>> America (My reference here is poor [black & white] vs. the affluent.)               LL>> Not all blacks are poor. Not all whites are rich. However, an        LL>> economic argument can be made, and strongly supported. Bob Dole,        LL>> as a candidate for president, tried to make that argument in        LL>> reference to affirmative action, and actually had Bill Clinton        LL>> on the defensive (and on the ropes). Dole's mistake was not        LL>> having a viable plan of his own to replace affirmative action.        LL>> Clinton managed to get up off the canvas, making a comeback        LL>> by suggesting affirmative action needed to be "fixed" rather        LL>> than "scrapped" - thus winning his bid for a second term.              BM>        BM> I wasn't talking about affirmative action. I am talking about the       alienation        BM> and divide that is occuring through the GOP's deep corporate pockets.        Yes,        BM> the Dems have them as well, but the Koch Bros/Norquist doctrine is alive        BM> and        BM> flourishing in the GOP. These "platforms" are designed to increase the        BM> chasm        BM> between the elite and the serfs. They speak of the Dems creating the rift        BM> but if you look at the entire picture, the reason most people think this        BM> icountry s turning towards socialism/communism is very simply explained,        BM> AKorporate merika wants it that way.              I was using affirmative action as an example. For a deeper       understanding of how corporations interact among national security       and social welfare policy, you might want to read "Thinking Through       the Cold War", by David Jardin, free download from smashwords.com              Jardin shows the history of the RAND Corporation from the end of       WWII thgough the Cold War, and its interaction with government to       shape national security and social welfare policy making. Beware       it is a long read, roughly 207,440 words.               BK>>> Well, since blacks make up only about 13% of the population        BK>>> of this country, That leaves 34% to be white.               LL>>> Cajuns make up a much smaller percentage of the population        LL>>> than blacks, hispanics, or asians. Why this country wants to        LL>>> identify itself by race is beyond me, as it is language that        LL>>> defines a culture ...               BM>> Agreed....               LL>> Black folks are more discriminatory of their own than any other race.        LL>> There are dark-skinned blacks, light-skinned blacks, blacks who pass        LL>> for white ...              BM>        BM> It's turning into survival of the fittest anymore. Wait, you'll see the        BM> same        BM> discrimination among whites when the jobs/wages don't keep up. It's       already        BM> happened many years ago. When the Irish immigrated here they were        BM> considered a lower species than the blacks. Every race (and yes,        BM> nationality is considered a race, not just color) has had that issue.              Sure. Discrimination exists among all races, both within and between.       Andrew Young once said, "We are all racists and bigots." I tend to       agree with that view, with the caveat it is what we do (as individuals       and a people) to overcome that racism and bigotry that is important.       That was Andrew Young's real message, or what he was trying to convey       to others.               BK>>> Since even the 15% unemployment rate among blacks, or more        BK>>> like 25% real unemployment rather than the fake numbers the        BK>>> government uses, still means 25% of 13%. Or about 3 1/3% of        BK>>> the population. That leaves about 45% out of 47% Mitt Romney        BK>>> considers "takers" to be white.               LL>>> Cajuns are not exactly the wealthiest folks in the world. And yet        LL>>> most of them voted for the man with the red face. Probably because        LL>>> they thought he was a crawfish.               BM>> LOL.... irony as it's best... vote for the man who doesn't give a        BM>> rat's ass about you.               LL>> You have to remember - we boil our crawfish LIVE. :)              BM>When is Jindal on the menu?              In the latest poll, Les Miles and Nick Saban are rated higher       than Bobby Jindal. Les Miles I can understand. But Nick Saban       is hated in these parts, pretty much on the same level as the       devil himself. Jindal should consider himself blessed that he       cannot run for a third consecutive term for governor. :)              --Lee              --- MesNews/1.06.00.00-gb        * Origin: news://felten.yi.org (2:203/2)    |
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