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|    BOB KLAHN to TIM RICHARDSON    |
|    Keeping Earl happy by giv    |
|    13 Aug 97 15:26:40    |
       ...               TR> I'm beginning to think the people all over the country        TR> don't really understand the sort of trouble our nation is        TR> in right now. Nor do they realize that this president and        TR> his cadre of leftist idiots are destroying us day by day.               Austerity is killing countries in Europe bit by bit, and your        side wants to put it in here.              EC>>(How did that happen?÷ Krugman asks. One answer is supplied by University       EC>>of Chicago economist Casey Mulligan · one of the top labor market       EC>>economists in the country and a regular contributor to The New York Times       EC>>economics blog.               TR> Krugman was out there the other day saying that the GOP        TR> don't really understand Obamacare.               On that Krugman is wrong. They know it damn well, it was their        plan. They are afraid it will work, then they will have that        much more egg on their faces.               William Kristol once objected to extending the CHIP program,        because, when it *DOES* work it will lead to further programs.               IOW, programs that work, and save lives, and provide treatment        for children, are considered by the right wing to be bad.               TR> At some point, either yesterday or this morning, Henry        TR> Waxman (who's from California) was asked by a reporter if        TR> he'd read the 10,000-plus pages of the new so-called        TR> affordable care act. Waxman's answer was in the form of a               The first time I looked it was less than 1000 pages.        I just downloaded copies from three different sources. With        smaller text two had 906 pages. One with larger text had 1990. I        could read any of them. It's all how you lay it out.               ...               TR> This country is on the road to financial ruin and the        TR> democrats are driving us there at full speed. Something        TR> tells me Obamacare is going to be a real eye- opener very        TR> soon, and people are going to be screaming for its repeal.               ...               **************************************************************************               According to the Federal Budget History files, 2013: At the end        of WW2 the debt load was almost 122% of GDP. It went down under        every president, war and peace, recession or prosperity, liberal        or conservative, republican or democrat, until Reagan. When        Reagan took office it was around 33%.               Under Reagan it started back up, under Clinton it started back        down again. Under Bush II it went back into climb mode.               In 1981, 32.6%, in 1989, 53.1%, in 1993, 66.2%, in 2001 57.4%,        in 2009 85.2%.               So, Obama was handed an economy that was at risk of another        depression, and a debt load that is headed for crushing.               If the country went into depression the GDP could drop as much        as 50%. The debt would not drop, so the debt load would become        horrendous. 90% jumps to 180%. Higher than this country has ever        seen. If the GDP dropped 25% that still pushes up the debt load        to around 130%. That is a crushing debt. And that is why we        might well not be able to get out of another depression.               When Obama took office he was facing a national debt of about        $12 trill. That debt had built up in the 232 years before his        inauguration. Yet almost 80% of that debt had built up under 3        presidents, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II.               Of the 10% built up under Clinton almost all of it was in his        first term, when he was fighting to bring the Reagan/Bush        debacle under control. In his second term he gave this country        the first balanced budget it had seen in 29 years, and the        second longest string of balanced budgets of the 20th century.        At which time it appeared he stopped the growth of the debt.        However, the republicans had other plans.        (Note:The longest string was the 1920s)               All other presidents combined produced about 10% of the total        debt.               80% of the national debt Obama inherited produced under the last        three republican presidents. And 100% of the growth in the post        WWII debt load.               **************************************************************************              BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]        * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140)    |
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