AK>
AK>>> when in 1993 Eltsin in Russia had given an order to such people to
AK>>> shell the Russian Parlament from tanks, point blank. He defeated
AK>>> the parliamentarians, but spilt blood and had known its taste.
AK>>> Literally in a year he started the far more bloody war in
AK>>> Chechnya, because he thought that solving problem by brutal force
AK>>> is a good and effective way to gain his aims.
BK>> And where is he now? You remember him, but who is he to the rest of
BK>> the world?
AK> He died in peace, not on the yard-arm. And recently a
AK> statue of him was erected by the local authority in his
AK> native town. Any dictatorship has faithful followers.
Ok, we know him as Yeltsin. Didn't know who you were talking
about.
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BK>> That is true, but the people must be the ones to resist the
BK>> underground tyrants.
AK> Well, it depends on the damage and money losses. For
AK> instance, if you have cockroaches underfloor you
AK> probably should make it cleaner in your room, rather
AK> than installing surveillance cameras underfloor and
AK> killing cockroaches with a gun or robotic rats.
Oh, I am speaking of the underground tyrants who are not
committing violence. The violent ones need to be dealt with by
the police.
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AK>>> Millions of Arabs who lived in Palestine were even not consulted
AK>>> when some people in Europe decided their future.
BK>> Pretty much all of the Middle East was divided up that way. Ask
BK>> yourself, why were a Sunni minority ruling in Iraq? Why were a Shia
BK>> offshoot minority ruling Syria? Could it be the European rulers
BK>> felt keeping the government seperate from the people would create
BK>> client state who would become dependent on them?
AK> The UN, before all, had NOT to follow bad exapmles. When
AK> the UN was going to resettle all Jews in Palestine it
AK> had to understand that there were many millions of Arabs
AK> living there and removing them from their lands was an
AK> illegal act itself. A lot of work had to be done to work
AK> out a compromise for both sides. Hurry is crime in this
AK> situation.
Yes, but even the UN was ruled by politics.
AK> It was impossible to suppose that millions of
AK> Palestinians would be happy with the decision and no
AK> tensions would arise. The process had to be under the UN
AK> control, from the beginning. The UN had to maintain the
AK> order and preserve as much justice as was possible. By
And that would take an active force, which had to get past the
Security Council, with the permanent members ready to veto
anything againt their interests.
AK> letting things developed by themselves the UN itself
AK> created a war situation that has lasted already for 60
AK> years and there are still no signs of peace.
True. Actually, 65. Israel was born the year I was.
AK> Well, for instance, Gypsy some thousand years ago lived
AK> in India and were expelled, like Jews. Let the UN decide
AK> them to settle in some area of India. Will be a new war
AK> there? Of course it will. Such decisions must me taken
AK> very carefully and with great responsibility. The UN
AK> still doesn't think that the current crazy situation in
AK> Palestine is actually the product of UN's hands.
The UN doesn't think anything, it has a hundred some odd heads,
each with it's own agenda.
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AK>>> In the East there is no more shame than to betray their guest.
AK>>> Only a poor politician could imagine that the Taliban would catch
AK>>> Bin Laden so to give him out to the US, the main ally of Israel, a
AK>>> far more big criminal (as all the countries in the Middle East
AK>>> think).
BK>> If you guest commits murder you are responsible to turn him over. I
BK>> doubt even in Afghanistan can you harbor a murderer, esp if he
BK>> commits murder while your guest.
AK> Customs are different around the world.
That's more than custom, that's law. Like I said, I doubt even
Afghan custom requires they protect a murderer.
AK>>> Besides, it was an unrealistic task to catch a small group of
AK>>> people in the immense mountains of Afghanistan. The Taliban could
AK>>> not catch Bin Laden even if they wished to do it, as Karzay.
BK>> The US forces could have caught Bin Laden if Bush hadn't pulled out
BK>> so many of them. The Taliban could have caught him if they wanted
BK>> to. Don't over estimate the difficulty, even there it's not
BK>> difficult with the right people.
AK> In eyes of the Taliban Bin Laden was not a bigger
AK> criminal than Israel. According to this position, if the
Which is irrelevant to 9-11. I doubt the Taliban cared much
about Israel or the Palestinians. The Taliban, like the Wahabi,
hate other Muslims more than they hate Christians or Jews.
AK> US allows Israel to commit crimes (it's a usual way of
AK> thinking in the M. East), why the Taliban should to ran
AK> for Bin-Laden? IMHO, quite a logical position.
Not logical when it gets you overthrown.
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AK>>> Terrorism is not a correct word. At present time this word became
AK>>> misused very much. And in many places it helps freedom oppression.
BK>> They terrorized the people, but that's not terror under current
BK>> usage. Funny that.
AK> There have been a lot of wars on Earth, but we don't
AK> call their participants terrorists. Even if they hold a
AK> military operation with the name "Terror in desert." ;=)
War against the other sides military is not called terrorism,
not even by the US National Counter Terrorism Center. The attack
must be against the innocent.
BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn
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