Hi, BOB KLAHN!   
   I read your message from 17.08.2013 23:06   
      
      
    AK>> Taliban was created by the US as a weapon against the USSR, as   
    AK>> well as Bin Laden, who was, one time, a   
    BK> Not the Taliban, more Bin Laden's friends. The Taliban started with   
    BK> an Afghan Cleric outraged at the corruption of the warlords. His   
    BK> group would have been OK if they had brought and end to the   
    BK> oppression of the warlords, but instead he changed one oppressor   
    BK> for another.   
      
      The Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained   
   mujahideen in northern Pakistan, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.   
   So, The Taliban is just a political personification of this movement   
   after the war with the USSR and falling Najibullah's government.   
      
      
      
    AK>>>> declared before each invasion. The US invaded into Afghanistan   
    AK>>>> to catch Bin Laden, the US invaded in Iraq to destroy its   
    AK>>>> stockpiles of weapon of mass destruction.   
    BK>>> The US invaded Iraq to control the oil. The rest was lies.   
    AK>> It is not correct, by a simple reason - Saddam had never refused   
    AK>> to sell Iraqi oil for the US. Vice versa - on   
      
    BK> The US did not invade to get the oil, but to control the oil. A   
    BK> group called the Project For A New American Century wanted to take   
    BK> the oil and use it to break the Saudi control of OPEC. Big oil   
    BK> wanted control of the oil also, but not to break Saudi control. Big   
    BK> Oil had more power.   
      
      So what was in the result of the war? Does the US control Iraqi oil   
   now?   
      
      
    AK>> You said, you don't have a special police force in the US which is   
    AK>> trained to disperse people's rallies? I saw   
    BK> Not Military.   
    AK>> myself how violently were dispersed the people from "Occupy Wall   
    AK>> street" movement.   
      
    BK> Those were local police, not military.   
      
      Do you think there is a big difference who disperse people's rallies?   
   In general, all the forces that participate in it are the state armed   
   forces, they carry out orders and they have no right to discuss the   
   orders they get. If the police special forces need help the military   
   will get involved.   
      
      In general, the coup in Egypt shows us what can happen when the   
   military and the police are out of public control and replace democracy.   
      
   Bye, BOB!   
   Alexander Koryagin   
   fido7.debate 2013   
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