Hi, BOB KLAHN!   
   I read your message from 06.08.2013 13:17   
      
    LL>>> Jeffersonian violence is acceptable if, and only if, a regime   
    LL>>> becomes so oppressive that it has lost its legitimacy to govern.   
    LL>>> By that way of thinking, it is not an act of treason but rather   
    LL>>> an act of patriotism.   
      
    AK>> Who is a person who decides that the current regime is becoming   
    AK>> oppressive and totalitarian? Everybody decides it for himself and   
    AK>> then decided to fight with such a regime or do nothing. Snowden   
    AK>> did the same.   
      
    BK> "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,   
    BK> deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."   
      
    BK> That is Jefferson's standard for a legitimate government. Any   
    BK> government that rules without the consent of the governed can be   
    BK> justly opposed. However, the opposition must realize, they do not   
    BK> have the right to force their opinions on others. There is no   
    BK> perfect government, sometimes we have to live with governments we   
    BK> don't want, as long as they attained power and hold power with the   
    BK> consent of the governed.   
      
      But propaganda can change things. Suppose, that after brainwashing   
   the majority of people will agree with the rule to implant GPS chips to   
   all people? They were persuaded that such a measure would be good for   
   "public order".   
      
   Bye, BOB!   
   Alexander Koryagin   
   fido7.debate 2013   
   --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds   
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)