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   TIM RICHARDSON to ALEXANDER KORYAGIN   
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   14 Aug 13 13:48:00   
   
   On 08-14-13, BOB KLAHN said to ALEXANDER KORYAGIN:   
      
   BK>...   
      
   AK>    ;=) Well, well, who doubts around the world that   
   AK>    American history books tell that the Vietnam war was   
   AK>    victorious for the US? Propaganda doesn't allow the   
   AK>    opposite, especially if the opposite is humiliating.   
      
   BK>Actually, American history books do not describe Vietnam as a   
   BK>victory for America. And we know the US lost the war. Not all   
   BK>know it, but most of us do.   
      
      
   There is a big controversy over a rodeo clown in Missouri wearing a `Hussein   
   Obama' mask and being chased by a bull.   
      
      
   The liberal goddamn fuckin' democrats went apeshit over it, calling for the   
   lifetime banning of that clown from that particular rodeo.   
      
      
   But....back when G.W. Bush was president...various liberal hypocritical main   
   stream media outlets depicted president Bush in various insulting ways, one of   
   which was a monkey....without so much as a `wimper' of protest by those who   
   are now screaming bloody murder at having `their' favored president portrayed   
   in the same way.   
      
      
   Actually...the clown made a terrible mistake. He SHOULD have also been wearing   
   a chimpanzee suit to portray Hussein Obama in his true light: a fuckin'   
   monkey!   
      
      
   And instead of getting a `ban' from the rodeo, that clown ought to recieve   
   Missouri's equivalent of the `American Freedom Award'! And if no such award in   
   Missouri exists? Their legslature ought to `create' one just for this brave   
   clown:   
      
      
   But...   
      
      
   In (partial) defense of the Missouri rodeo clown | WashingtonExaminer.com   
      
      
   August 13, 2013   
      
      
   By BYRON YORK | AUGUST 13, 2013 AT 2:15 PM   
      
      
   This photo shows a clown wearing a mask intended to look like President Obama   
   at the Missouri...   
      
      
   The Missouri State Fair has banned for life a rodeo clown who wore a Barack   
   Obama mask during a bull-riding competition and suggested that “Obama”   
   might   
   be run down by an angry bull. “Hey, I know I’m a clown,” the still-   
   unidentified performer said. “He [Obama] is just running around acting like   
   one. Doesn’t know he is one.” Many in the audience were amused; at least   
   some were offended. The event was captured on home video, which quickly made   
   the rounds of news reports.   
      
      
   In a press release Monday, the State Fair said, “the statements and actions   
   Saturday night were inappropriate and not in keeping with the Fair’s   
   standards.   
      
      
   The Missouri State Fair apologizes for the unconscionable stunt.” The   
   organization said it had decided “to permanently ban this rodeo clown from   
   ever participating or performing at the Missouri State Fair again.”   
      
      
   The controversy over the incident seemed to have two parts. One was outrage in   
   some quarters over the obvious disrespect and ridicule directed at the   
   president. The other was outrage over the suggestion of violence toward Obama   
   — in the form of an encounter with the bull — that was the premise of the   
   act.   
      
      
   Of course the Missouri State Fair can do what it wants, but the lifetime ban   
   seems excessive. Any president comes in for a fair amount of public mockery,   
   and what happened at the State Fair does not seem worse than the mockery of   
   the president that occurred — without consequences like lifetime bans —   
   during George W. Bush’s years in the White House. It’s not necessary to   
   recite all the insults, threats, and other offenses directed at Bush during   
   his presidency; if you were awake during those years, you know there were a   
   lot of them. But perhaps it would be useful to list a few, and ask whether   
   they resulted in punishment and professional exile for those involved.   
      
      
   As far as disrespect and ridicule are concerned, in 2007, TV newswoman Erin   
   Burnett, who then worked for MSNBC, repeatedly referred to Bush as a   
   “monkey” during a report on an economic summit. Burnett, who later   
   apologized, was not banned from television; she is now a prime-time anchor on   
   CNN.   
      
   Burnett was not alone; depictions of Bush as a chimpanzee, in particular, were   
   common on the Internet during those years. And not unheard of on television.   
   In October 2009, after Bush left office HBO’s Bill Maher said on his program   
   “Real Time,” that, “Barack Obama, an actual college professor, replaced   
   George Bush, an actual chimp.” Maher was not banned from HBO; he is still the   
   host of the program.   
      
      
   In August, 2007, North Dakota Democratic Rep. Earl Pomeroy was caught on video   
   calling Bush a “clown.” Pomeroy later apologized, but he was not banned   
   from   
   office. Instead, he was re-elected for a ninth term in the House in 2008. He   
   did lose in the Republican wave of 2010, but is now a lobbyist in Washington.   
      
      
   As far as the use of violent imagery and the president is concerned, the Bush   
   years saw imagery much more serious than a bump from a bull. For example, the   
   2006 film “Death of a President” was a faux-documentary that told the story   
   of a fictional Bush assassination, including a graphic depiction of the Bush   
   character being shot in the chest. After its premiere at the Toronto film   
   festival, where it won the International Critics Prize, “Death of a   
   President” was handled by a major American distributor, Newmarket Films, and   
   was reviewed, seriously and on its own terms, by the Washington Post, New York   
   Times and other major press outlets. The film’s makers were not banned for   
   life from the movie industry or anything else; the director has since made   
   several films that have shown at festivals around the world and is now working   
   on a documentary on David Bowie.   
      
      
   In the 2004 novella “Checkpoint,” author Nicholson Baker depicted a   
   conversation between two men planning to assassinate Bush. “He’s one dead   
   armadillo,” says one character, speaking of the president. The Washington   
   Post was impressed by the book’s “fanciful flourishes and fierce, furious   
   fits of anger.” Baker was not banned from anything and is still writing and   
   being published today.   
      
      
   In June 2006, Alan Hevesi, then the comptroller of the state of New York,   
   delivered a college commencement address in which he paid tribute to   
   Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer by calling him “the man who, how do I phrase   
   this diplomatically, who will put a bullet between the president’s eyes if   
   he could get away with it.” Hevesi later apologized, explaining that he   
   merely intended to praise Schumer’s courage and toughness. Hevesi was not   
   banned from office; he was, in fact, re-elected as comptroller later in 2006.   
      
   (He didn’t stay much longer, resigning when he was indicted on corruption   
   charges.)   
      
      
   Going through these various incidents is not intended to suggest that the   
   people involved should have been banned from their professions. It’s   
   perfectly fine that Burnett and Maher and the others still have their jobs.   
   It’s just to ask:   
      
      
   Why should the Missouri rodeo clown be banned for life? Couldn’t his   
   employers have demanded an apology instead?   
      
      
   (Or better yet...simply `paid tribute to him by calling him `the man who   
   ...how do I phrase this diplomatically...who will courageously portray Hussein   
   Obama for what he is: a monkey in a `president' suit'!' ...Tim R.)   
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
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