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AK> ;=) Well, well, who doubts around the world that
AK> American history books tell that the Vietnam war was
AK> victorious for the US? Propaganda doesn't allow the
AK> opposite, especially if the opposite is humiliating.
Actually, American history books do not describe Vietnam as a
victory for America. And we know the US lost the war. Not all
know it, but most of us do.
AK> But in this case the USSR had won the Afghan war, too.
AK> The USSR had won the war, victoriously left the country,
AK> and Afghan government forces, then, shamefully lost
AK> everything, fighting with the Taliban resistance.
The Taliban did not exist before the war, nor was the Taliban
the resistance. The Warlords won the war, then corruption gave
the Taliban the opening to take over.
AK>
AK>>> And such a scenario will be impossible in the near future, when
AK>>> the US technology to kill will be like an army of Terminators.
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LL>> equipped and best trained army in the world, the American military
LL>> was unable to truly conquer either the people of Afghanistan or the
LL>> people of Iraq. Why? Because when Americans are finished doing what
LL>> they do, Americans go home, while the people in those countries
LL>> never leave.
AK> Victory -- is a situation when an invading side gets
AK> what it wanted before the invasion. We know what the US
True, and what Lee said is also true.
AK> declared before each invasion. The US invaded into
AK> Afghanistan to catch Bin Laden, the US invaded in Iraq
AK> to destroy its stockpiles of weapon of mass destruction.
The US invaded Iraq to control the oil. The rest was lies.
AK> The US had killed hundreds of thousand of people; but
AK> has it got what it wanted before the war? No, of course,
No, because Bush was incompetent. And Cheney and his ilk were
corrupt beyond belief.
AK> because Bin Laden moved to Pakistan in 2001, and there
Because the Bush people pulled out much of our prime people from
Afghanistan and moved them to begin preparations for invading
Iraq.
AK> were no weapon of mass destruction in Iraq. The
Which was known long before the war.
AK> situation is not victorious, but sick and crazy. Just as
AK> the current situation at the territories occupied by the
AK> Americans during those invasions.
True.
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LL>> thought. When the soldier returns home, he/she often has no help or
LL>> support from his/her (military) family. The former soldier is left
LL>> to defend for himself/herself a way of life he/she has long
LL>> forgotten.
AK> First of all, I told of a host of servicemen whose task
AK> is to suppress popular meetings and movements. To
Not in the US.
AK> suppress not only by tear gas and buttons, but also by
AK> spying on their own people. To obey orders without
AK> thinking is their main danger for democracy. The less
AK> such people the better. Especially if such people are
AK> amoral, high educated specialists for spying.
Amoral doesn't work, they are too easily corrupted. What you
need is higly moral, but deceived, people.
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AK> It was an allegory, I repeat it. I tried to explain why
AK> resistanse in high tech future will be doomed to defeat.
AK> That is why we should not use this high technology to
AK> spy on everyone now.
Doesn't matter. The only govt that will give it up is a govt
that would be able to handle it decently.
AK>
AK>>> Dictatorship is possible without any dictator. A group of people
AK>>> can fetch power and do with the country what they want.
LL>> The only true dictatorship possible is a benevolent dictatorship.
LL>> All other dictatorsips are government by committee.
AK> It is not important if people are dictated by one person
AK> or a group. It is dictatorship anyway.
True.
BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn
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