LL>> Jeffersonian violence is acceptable if, and only if, a regime   
    LL>> becomes so oppressive that it has lost its legitimacy to govern. By   
    LL>> that way of thinking, it is not an act of treason but rather an act   
    LL>> of patriotism.   
      
    AK>    Who is a person who decides that the current regime is   
    AK>    becoming oppressive and totalitarian? Everybody decides   
    AK>    it for himself and then decided to fight with such a   
    AK>    regime or do nothing. Snowden did the same.   
      
    "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among   
    Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the   
    governed ..."   
      
    That is Jefferson's standard for a legitimate government. Any   
    government that rules without the consent of the governed can be   
    justly opposed. However, the opposition must realize, they do   
    not have the right to force their opinions on others. There is   
    no perfect government, sometimes we have to live with   
    governments we don't want, as long as they attained power and   
    hold power with the consent of the governed.   
      
    AK>    
      
    LL>> It is treason only if the parties are not successful in   
    LL>> overthrowing the evil regime...   
      
    AK>    Yes, a victor as a rule is always right. That's why now   
    AK>    Mursi in Egipt is acáused in state treason, spying etc.   
    AK>    ;-) And a year before, Mursi himself accused Mubarak of   
    AK>    the same things.   
      
    The typical response of the dictator wannabe.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL>> If al-Qaeda has a nuclear bomb it will take over Mecca and threaten   
    LL>> to blow up the black rock. And then, when the Saudis think al-Qaeda   
    LL>> is bluffing, the bomb will be detonated. And Israel will be blamed.   
      
    AK>    Al-Qaeda bombs Caaba with a nuclear bomb? I am afraid   
    AK>    you don't live in the real world. ;-)   
      
    Lee typically journeys between this world and one we ordinary   
    mortals somehow cannot understand.   
      
      
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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