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       Link to full article at this link:               http://newamericamedia.org/2013/07/the-breaking-point---        sacrificing-all-for-the -sake-of-education.php               The author's point is student loans, my point is the cost of        education and putting that burden on the students. She went to        Harvard, for which reason I don't have a lot of sympathy for        her. She could have gone to a state school for a lot less money.        However, the point is valid in any case.               ----------------------------------------------------------------        "The Breaking Point" - Sacrificing All for the Sake of Education               San Francisco, CA               When I got my acceptance letter from Harvard, my parents decided        they would stop at nothing to afford the expense. Raised in        ...        ----------------------------------------------------------------        My comment:               For a lot of families that has been the way of things for a very        long time. A generation ago that meant significant sacrifice for        lower income families. Today that means great sacrifice, and        often failure to make it through, for families at all levels,        below the upper class.               ----------------------------------------------------------------        My parents have worked harder in the past ten years than they        ever have. My mom will turn 63 this month and is a bus driver;        my dad is in his 50s and working in tech, which is a difficult        field to be in if you're no longer young. He recently asked me        to recommend a brand of eye cream because he says he needs to        look like he's in his 30s for at least another 15 years.        ...        ----------------------------------------------------------------               My comment:               I know what she means. I worked in "tech" for, well, almost all        my working life. In the last few years new management, who did        not appreciate the value of experience, did their best to drive        the older workers out of the company. Only because we had a        union were we able to hang on. And don't believe the EEOC is an        effective deterrent to age discrimination, they are minimal at        best.               However, that is the only real problem working in "tech", as        it's a job you can do until you drop, it's not all that        physically demanding, and the knowledge part is not that hard to        keep up with.               ----------------------------------------------------------------        My maternal grandmother, who lives here in San Francisco, was        born to a family of Mexican migrant workers in Candelaria,        Texas. Her parents died       ...        After the war she worked as a waitress and put her kids through        St. Agnes School in the Haight Ashbury. It was just a few months        ago that she finally stopped waitressing at Bill's Place, a        little after her 91st birthday.        ...        ----------------------------------------------------------------               My Comment:               She doesn't make clear if her grandmother liked working, or had        to. I suspect she didn't have to with a daughter married to a        Sun Micro-system worker. Even after he lost his job, they could        have afforded her. If Harvard meant she had to continue working,        then grand-daughter should have found a good, cheaper school.               We have top students from all over the world studying        engineering here at the University of Toledo.               In any case, no one should *have* to work that long. That's why        we have social security. Social security is a good thing.               ----------------------------------------------------------------        Then came the breaking point. My second year at Harvard my dad        lost his job at Sun Microsystems and my family quickly moved to        sell the house        ...        ----------------------------------------------------------------               My comment:               Sorry, Harvard is not worth that mush, IMO. Not unless you are        headed to a top level job, which she was not, as below.               ----------------------------------------------------------------        I graduated from Harvard in 2005, and thanks to them have no        student loan debt.        ...        As for the answer, I don't know. I have freedom and choices,        but Harvard didn't give me those - that was my family. I've        been able to take a series of jobs that didn't pay much because        I don't have a mountain of debt on my shoulders. And if I feel        like I have options, it's partially because I didn't have loans        dragging me down before I even got started.        ----------------------------------------------------------------               My comment:               A series of jobs that didn't pay much with a Harvard degree?        Like I said, not worth that much.               ----------------------------------------------------------------        I didn't have to shoulder the expense of college on my own, and        neither should anybody who wants an education. We either believe        in investing in our future workforce, or we're content with        forcing people to fend for themselves in a world where that's        increasingly impossible.        ----------------------------------------------------------------               My comment:               No one should have to shoulder that burden alone. For Harvard, I        don't care how much of a loan you have to take, they have        endowments for students who can't afford tuition.               State schools were established to educate those who cannot        afford the private schools. That is what they should do. Before        WWII it wasn't even necessary to have a high school diploma. By        the VN war it was necessary, but a college degree wasn't. Today        post high school education is necessary, at least community        college level and heading for a full college degree.               Education has been a government responsibility in this country        long before this country was founded. It needs to be recognized        that it still is. If we have uneducated young citizens, blame        those who refuse to provide the education they need.               And it ain't gonna be free. It will have to be paid for, but the        price of an ignorant citizenry will be much higher.                     BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              ... Children come from God. He can't stand the noise either.       --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]        * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140)    |
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