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   TIM RICHARDSON to BOB KLAHN   
   More IRS scandal   
   25 May 13 22:03:00   
   
   On 05-25-13, BOB KLAHN said to BILL MCGARRITY:   
      
      
   JM>> I think you just about covered it. Feeding the poor is NOT included on   
   JM>> my list.   
      
      
   BM>>So, again with all respect, you're still expecting all those services to   
   BM>>be provided to you without paying the government?  Is that correct?   
      
      
   TR> Feeding the poor is one thing IF its done voluntarily, and   
   TR> it doesn't stretch into other things.   
      
      
   BK>Of course, if it doesn't happen at all he has no problem with it.   
      
      
   And here is one of the main reasons why people consider you a `turd' of a   
   person.   
      
      
   The fact is ...you don't know WHAT I think about, or *do* to feed the hungry,   
   but you have no hesitation to toss out false accusations on the subject, in an   
   attempt to demonize.   
      
      
   Thats the typical turdish-democrat method of `shutting people down'. A   
   horrendous or disgust-inducing accusation thats aimed at making someone look   
   bad. So bad, maybe, that they're afraid to speak out anymore and *YOU* own the   
   conversation. Their views and opinions are gone, washed away in a flood of   
   your distortions and the false image you draw of them, they fall silent in   
   fear that you will say worse. Thats how you've operated for years. Its one of   
   your stock-in-trade tactics. The best way...in fact the ONLY way for you to   
   shut me up is either toss me in your twit filter....or just shut your mouth   
   and don't post TO me...ABOUT me...or refer to ANYTHING I post.   
      
      
   I really nettle you with the conservative articles and opinions I post..   
   ..especially if they're from the folks at Breitbart.com. Speaking of people   
   you don't like....here's that article by Kimberly Strassel I told you about.   
      
      
   The democrat operatives and syncophants revealed in this article take the term   
   `turdish' to a whole new level. They are illustrative of turdish individuals,   
   like yourself.   
      
      
   Enjoy:   
      
      
   Strassel: Conservatives Became Targets in 2008 - WSJ.com   
      
      
   Why Lois Lerner Took the Fifth   
      
      
   The White House insists President Obama is "outraged" by the "inappropriate"   
   targeting and harassment of conservative groups. If true, it's a remarkable   
   turnaround for a man who helped pioneer those tactics.   
      
      
   On Aug. 21, 2008, the conservative American Issues Project ran an ad   
   highlighting ties between candidate Obama and Bill Ayers, formerly of the   
   Weather Underground. The Obama campaign and supporters were furious, and they   
   pressured TV stations to pull the ad - a common-enough tactic in such ad   
   spats.   
      
      
   What came next was not common. Bob Bauer, general counsel for the campaign   
   (and later general counsel for the White House), on the same day wrote to the   
   criminal division of the Justice Department, demanding an investigation into   
   AIP, "its officers and directors," and its "anonymous donors." Mr. Bauer   
   claimed that the nonprofit, as a 501(c)(4), was committing a "knowing and   
   willful violation" of election law, and wanted "action to enforce against   
   criminal violations."   
      
      
   AIP gave Justice a full explanation as to why it was not in violation. It said   
   that it operated exactly as liberal groups like Naral Pro-Choice did. It noted   
   that it had disclosed its donor, Texas businessman Harold Simmons. Mr. Bauer's   
   response was a second letter to Justice calling for the prosecution of Mr.   
   Simmons. He sent a third letter on Sept. 8, again smearing the "sham" AIP's   
   "illegal electoral purpose."   
      
      
   Also on Sept. 8, Mr. Bauer complained to the Federal Election Commission about   
   AIP and Mr. Simmons. He demanded that AIP turn over certain tax documents to   
   his campaign (his right under IRS law), then sent a letter to AIP further   
   hounding it for confidential information (to which he had no legal right).   
      
      
   The Bauer onslaught was a big part of a new liberal strategy to thwart the   
   rise of conservative groups. In early August 2008, the New York Times   
   trumpeted the creation of a left-wing group (a 501(c)4) called Accountable   
   America.   
      
      
   Founded by Obama supporter and liberal activist Tom Mattzie, the group - as   
   the story explained - would start by sending "warning" letters to 10,000 GOP   
   donors, "hoping to create a chilling effect that will dry up contributions."   
      
   The letters would alert "right-wing groups to a variety of potential dangers,   
   including legal trouble, public exposure and watchdog groups digging through   
   their lives." As Mr. Mattzie told Mother Jones: "We're going to put them at   
   risk."   
      
      
      
   The Bauer letters were the Obama campaign's high-profile contribution to this   
   effort - though earlier, in the spring of 2008, Mr. Bauer filed a complaint   
   with the FEC against the American Leadership Project, a group backing Hillary   
   Clinton in the primary. "There's going to be a reckoning here," he had warned   
   publicly. "It's going to be rough - it's going to be rough on the officers,   
   it's going to be rough on the employees, it's going to be rough on the donors.   
   . . Whether it's at the FEC or in a broader criminal inquiry, those donors   
   will be asked questions." The campaign similarly attacked a group supporting   
   John Edwards.   
      
      
   American Leadership head (and Democrat) Jason Kinney would rail that Mr. Bauer   
   had gone from "credible legal authority" to "political hatchet man" - but the   
   damage was done. As Politico reported in August 2008, Mr. Bauer's words had   
   "the effect of scaring [Clinton and Edwards] donors and consultants," even if   
   they hadn't yet "result[ed] in any prosecution."   
      
      
   As general counsel to the Obama re-election campaign, Mr. Bauer used the same   
   tactics on pro-Romney groups. The Obama campaign targeted private citizens who   
   had donated to Romney groups. Democratic senators demanded that the IRS   
   investigate these organizations.   
      
      
   None of this proves that Mr. Obama was involved in the IRS targeting of   
   conservative nonprofits. But it does help explain how we got an environment in   
   which the IRS thought this was acceptable.   
      
      
   Editorial board member Steve Moore offers a round-up of the news this week on   
   the IRS's targeting conservative groups.   
      
      
   The rise of conservative organizations (to match liberal groups that had long   
   played in politics), and their effectiveness in the 2004 election (derided   
   broadly by liberals as "swift boating"), led to a new and organized campaign   
   in 2008 to chill conservative donors and groups via the threat of government   
   investigation and prosecution. The tone in any organization - a charity, a   
   corporation, the U.S. government - is set at the top.   
      
      
   This history also casts light on White House claims that it was clueless about   
   the IRS's targeting. As Huffington Post's Howard Fineman wrote this week:   
      
      
   "With two winning presidential campaigns built on successful grassroots   
   fundraising, with a former White House counsel (in 2010-11) who is one of the   
   Democrats' leading experts on campaign law (Bob Bauer), with former top   
   campaign officials having been ensconced as staffers in the White House . . .   
   it's hard to imagine that the Obama inner circle was oblivious to the issue of   
   what the IRS was doing in Cincinnati." More like inconceivable.   
      
      
   And this history exposes the left's hollow claim that the IRS mess rests on   
   Citizens United. The left was targeting conservative groups and donors well   
   before the Supreme Court's 2010 ruling on independent political expenditures   
   by corporations.   
      
      
   If the country wants to get to the bottom of the IRS scandal, it must first   
   remember the context for this abuse. That context leads to this White House.   
      
      
      
      
      
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