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|    TIM RICHARDSON to BOB KLAHN    |
|    More IRS scandal    |
|    25 May 13 22:03:00    |
      On 05-25-13, BOB KLAHN said to BILL MCGARRITY:                     JM>> I think you just about covered it. Feeding the poor is NOT included on       JM>> my list.                     BM>>So, again with all respect, you're still expecting all those services to       BM>>be provided to you without paying the government? Is that correct?                     TR> Feeding the poor is one thing IF its done voluntarily, and       TR> it doesn't stretch into other things.                     BK>Of course, if it doesn't happen at all he has no problem with it.                     And here is one of the main reasons why people consider you a `turd' of a       person.                     The fact is ...you don't know WHAT I think about, or *do* to feed the hungry,       but you have no hesitation to toss out false accusations on the subject, in an       attempt to demonize.                     Thats the typical turdish-democrat method of `shutting people down'. A       horrendous or disgust-inducing accusation thats aimed at making someone look       bad. So bad, maybe, that they're afraid to speak out anymore and *YOU* own the       conversation. Their views and opinions are gone, washed away in a flood of       your distortions and the false image you draw of them, they fall silent in       fear that you will say worse. Thats how you've operated for years. Its one of       your stock-in-trade tactics. The best way...in fact the ONLY way for you to       shut me up is either toss me in your twit filter....or just shut your mouth       and don't post TO me...ABOUT me...or refer to ANYTHING I post.                     I really nettle you with the conservative articles and opinions I post..       ..especially if they're from the folks at Breitbart.com. Speaking of people       you don't like....here's that article by Kimberly Strassel I told you about.                     The democrat operatives and syncophants revealed in this article take the term       `turdish' to a whole new level. They are illustrative of turdish individuals,       like yourself.                     Enjoy:                     Strassel: Conservatives Became Targets in 2008 - WSJ.com                     Why Lois Lerner Took the Fifth                     The White House insists President Obama is "outraged" by the "inappropriate"       targeting and harassment of conservative groups. If true, it's a remarkable       turnaround for a man who helped pioneer those tactics.                     On Aug. 21, 2008, the conservative American Issues Project ran an ad       highlighting ties between candidate Obama and Bill Ayers, formerly of the       Weather Underground. The Obama campaign and supporters were furious, and they       pressured TV stations to pull the ad - a common-enough tactic in such ad       spats.                     What came next was not common. Bob Bauer, general counsel for the campaign       (and later general counsel for the White House), on the same day wrote to the       criminal division of the Justice Department, demanding an investigation into       AIP, "its officers and directors," and its "anonymous donors." Mr. Bauer       claimed that the nonprofit, as a 501(c)(4), was committing a "knowing and       willful violation" of election law, and wanted "action to enforce against       criminal violations."                     AIP gave Justice a full explanation as to why it was not in violation. It said       that it operated exactly as liberal groups like Naral Pro-Choice did. It noted       that it had disclosed its donor, Texas businessman Harold Simmons. Mr. Bauer's       response was a second letter to Justice calling for the prosecution of Mr.       Simmons. He sent a third letter on Sept. 8, again smearing the "sham" AIP's       "illegal electoral purpose."                     Also on Sept. 8, Mr. Bauer complained to the Federal Election Commission about       AIP and Mr. Simmons. He demanded that AIP turn over certain tax documents to       his campaign (his right under IRS law), then sent a letter to AIP further       hounding it for confidential information (to which he had no legal right).                     The Bauer onslaught was a big part of a new liberal strategy to thwart the       rise of conservative groups. In early August 2008, the New York Times       trumpeted the creation of a left-wing group (a 501(c)4) called Accountable       America.                     Founded by Obama supporter and liberal activist Tom Mattzie, the group - as       the story explained - would start by sending "warning" letters to 10,000 GOP       donors, "hoping to create a chilling effect that will dry up contributions."              The letters would alert "right-wing groups to a variety of potential dangers,       including legal trouble, public exposure and watchdog groups digging through       their lives." As Mr. Mattzie told Mother Jones: "We're going to put them at       risk."                            The Bauer letters were the Obama campaign's high-profile contribution to this       effort - though earlier, in the spring of 2008, Mr. Bauer filed a complaint       with the FEC against the American Leadership Project, a group backing Hillary       Clinton in the primary. "There's going to be a reckoning here," he had warned       publicly. "It's going to be rough - it's going to be rough on the officers,       it's going to be rough on the employees, it's going to be rough on the donors.       . . Whether it's at the FEC or in a broader criminal inquiry, those donors       will be asked questions." The campaign similarly attacked a group supporting       John Edwards.                     American Leadership head (and Democrat) Jason Kinney would rail that Mr. Bauer       had gone from "credible legal authority" to "political hatchet man" - but the       damage was done. As Politico reported in August 2008, Mr. Bauer's words had       "the effect of scaring [Clinton and Edwards] donors and consultants," even if       they hadn't yet "result[ed] in any prosecution."                     As general counsel to the Obama re-election campaign, Mr. Bauer used the same       tactics on pro-Romney groups. The Obama campaign targeted private citizens who       had donated to Romney groups. Democratic senators demanded that the IRS       investigate these organizations.                     None of this proves that Mr. Obama was involved in the IRS targeting of       conservative nonprofits. But it does help explain how we got an environment in       which the IRS thought this was acceptable.                     Editorial board member Steve Moore offers a round-up of the news this week on       the IRS's targeting conservative groups.                     The rise of conservative organizations (to match liberal groups that had long       played in politics), and their effectiveness in the 2004 election (derided       broadly by liberals as "swift boating"), led to a new and organized campaign       in 2008 to chill conservative donors and groups via the threat of government       investigation and prosecution. The tone in any organization - a charity, a       corporation, the U.S. government - is set at the top.                     This history also casts light on White House claims that it was clueless about       the IRS's targeting. As Huffington Post's Howard Fineman wrote this week:                     "With two winning presidential campaigns built on successful grassroots       fundraising, with a former White House counsel (in 2010-11) who is one of the       Democrats' leading experts on campaign law (Bob Bauer), with former top       campaign officials having been ensconced as staffers in the White House . . .       it's hard to imagine that the Obama inner circle was oblivious to the issue of       what the IRS was doing in Cincinnati." More like inconceivable.                     And this history exposes the left's hollow claim that the IRS mess rests on       Citizens United. The left was targeting conservative groups and donors well       before the Supreme Court's 2010 ruling on independent political expenditures       by corporations.                     If the country wants to get to the bottom of the IRS scandal, it must first       remember the context for this abuse. That context leads to this White House.                                          ---       *Durango b301 #PE*         * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140)    |
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