LL> Hello Bob,   
      
    BB>>> This has been batted around before, always based on   
    BB>>> marriage is to yield children. That's why the Catholic's   
    BB>>> have always outlawed birth control. (Yeah, tell me about   
    BB>>> it.)   
      
   BK>>Not so sure about "always". OTOH, there really hasn't been much   
   BK>>real contraception more than something like 100 years ago.   
      
    LL> When birth control is used in order to conceive, then it is   
    LL> not contraception.  That is why so many Catholics loved the   
    LL> rhythm method.  Women could tell their husbands they were   
    LL> obeying the Catholic church when they accidentally got   
    LL> themselves pregnant ...   
      
    That doesn't make much sense.   
      
    BB>>> But if ya can't have children, for whatever reason, is the   
    BB>>> marriage a sham?   
      
   BK>>No, but requires a special dispensation.   
      
    LL> Bob!  Listen up!  We have a CHILDREN'S COURT in Louisiana!   
    LL> Most Cajuns are Catholic.  And Catholic children are   
    LL> allowed to get married in children's court, as long as they   
    LL> have or get permission from their parents.  No priest need   
    LL> be consulted.  Children under ten years old are known to   
    LL> have gotten married this way.  I do not know how long those   
    LL> marriages have lasted, but it was legal.   
      
    That makes no sense at all.   
      
    BB>>> Be interesting to see what the new Pope comes up with.   
    BB>>> He's on record as being against abortion, gay marriage, and   
    BB>>> birth control.  Nice to go back to the 1900's  :)   
      
   BK>>Never left there.   
      
    LL> Pope Francis met with the president of Argentina yesterday.   
    LL> The two of them have never gotten along, their differences   
    LL> on social issues being far too great.  But both of them did   
    LL> put on smiles for the cameras.   
      
    I read about them. The pope needs to change some church   
    attitudes.   
      
   BK>>Abortion does meet a biblical standard. The rest is all a matter   
   BK>>of MYOB.   
      
    LL> Most people, whether they are liberal or conservative,   
    LL> Catholic or non-Catholic, Christian or non-Christian, are   
    LL> not in favor of abortion on demand.  However, that same   
    LL> majority also views abortion as being an issue between   
    LL> doctor and patient.  Who are we to judge what is right and   
    LL> wrong, especially when a person's life may be at stake?   
      
    Which is convoluted and confusing.   
      
    LL> I am not going to tell a woman that she is going to hell   
    LL> because she chooses (or has chosen) to have an abortion.  I   
    LL> am not God, nor do I pretend to be.  The Church can   
    LL> excommunicate a woman for having an abortion, but the   
    LL> Church cannot excommunicate her from God.   
      
    True.   
      
   BK>> .. McGod's - Have it my way or go to Hell. - Sue Armstrong   
      
    LL> Bill O'Reilly (a Catholic) divorced his wife (a Catholic),   
    LL> and is seeking to get her booted out of the Catholic   
    LL> Church.  Do you think he will get his way?  Remember -   
    LL> money talks, people listen.   
      
    Link? I'd like to see that. Ok, looked it up. Just O'Reilly   
    nasty.   
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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