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|    BOB KLAHN to MATT MUNSON    |
|    peace means prosperity    |
|    08 Jan 13 21:49:44    |
       MM> Here is a useful quote from soneone I know:               MM> "Something that I noticed. Four periods in the 20th century        MM> where we had the best economic growth. The Coolidge years,        MM> the Eisenhower years, the Reagan years and the Clinton        MM> years. What was not happening during those years? The               Well, sorry to have to tell you this, but your someone you know,        or someone he knows, doesn't know.               I pulled up the GDP rates for post WWII from the Fed's site, and        the pre-WWII and WWII stats for GNP from the "Historical        Statistics of the United States From Colonial Times to 1970"        which I have in hard cover and as a file from the Census Bureau        Stat Ab division.               All these numbers are inflation adjusted. I used GNP for        pre-WWII because that's how they are listed.               Reagan and Eisenhower and Clinton were all pretty mediocre. I        find a single term growth of anywhere around 15% is normal, or        about 30% for two terms. I also used the end of the year for the        succeeding president as the previous president's final year, and        the new president's inherited stat. I did that on the theory        that it takes a new president a year to get his policies in        effect.               If anyone would prefer to do it from taking office to leaving        office, that's ok, it makes Reagan look worse and Clinton look        better.               So, the real winners? Coolidge did do very well, about 40%        better than normal. However, the real champion is FDR. His        growth was about double that of Coolidge. That's his pre-WWII        growth. In WWII it was also quite good. For single term growth        the next rung of championship goes to Truman and JFK/LBJ.        Counting JFK/LBJ as one since JFK died in his first term.               What you may not know is, Coolidge took office after a serious        recession. Do you see a trend here? Ok, I'll explain. It seems        the key to having an outstanding growth is to follow a president        whose growth was really bad, or, better yet, negative.               Coolidge had a recovery from the post WWI recession, which was        quite serious. FDR had the recovery from the Great Depression,        which, while long, was also a huge jump in GNP. Going from        pre-depression, to full depression, back to pre-depression gave        FDR an 86% growth in the economy. That is truly spectactular, in        sheer numbers.               MM> country wasn't really at war during most of the time.        MM> Coolidge and Reagan kept us out of war (sorry by 7 days in        MM> Grenada doesn't really count). Eisenhower's second term was        MM> a time between the Korean and Vietnam wars. Clinton took us        MM> to the Balkans but it wasn't a large invasion or occupation.               And Truman beat Eisenhower and Reagan and Clinton for a single        term, as did JFK/LBJ for the first term. Overall JFK/LBJ for two        terms also beat Eisenhower and Reagan and Clinton.               They did it while fighting significant wars also. So, it seems        war or peace is not the dividing factor, recovery from a bad        economy is.               MM> During those peacetimes the economy expanded greatly. Even               No, they really didn't.               MM> in the case of Coolidge and Reagan who inherited weak        MM> economies.               Coolidge did, Reagan really didn't. Oh, and Reagan's first term        was his worst, because Reagan was not very successful in        reducing unemployment in his first term.               MM> War definitely sucks the life out of economies        MM> and doesn't make recovery easier." -Aaron Alghawi               And that guy considers himself a student of economics? No, it        isn't war that does it, at least not short term, it's economic        inequality and financial speculation.                            BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              ... "all the world's economists, laid end-to-end, could not reach a conclusion"       --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]        * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140)    |
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