Hello Richard,   
      
    BB>> Attacking kids is about as low as it goes.  China may be   
    BB>> tougher on this type than we are.   
      
    BK>> In China children are worth less than they are here.   
      
    BK>> But civil disorder is punished much worse than here.   
      
    BB>> At any rate this type of guy should be done away with.  AFAIC he's   
    BB>> lost his right to exist.   
      
    BB>> Same with our nutcakes that do this.  OK, maybe they're nuts, but so   
    BB>> what?  Acts like shooting up a school should be a defacto death   
    BB>> sentence.   
      
   RW>I happen to agree with you.   
      
   Some folks need to be taken out of society.  Not for a limited   
   period of time, but until the day they die.  Emotionally, it might   
   make me feel good, for a little while, to have the state execute   
   them (doesn't really matter by what method of execution, only that   
   said execution is carried out).  However, intellectually I would   
   feel far better knowing the creep will be spending a very long   
   period of time (hopefully decades) inside either a maximum security   
   prison or, if they are nuts, at an insititute for the ciminally   
   insane.  In either case, the only way they get out is inside of   
   a pine box (or body bag).   
      
   RW>AS I've said before in this echo, I worked for a mission for the   
   RW>homeless which was a dumping ground for the state mental hospital   
   RW>when they had patients "ready" for outpatient, but nobody to really   
   RW>>monitor them or places where they were somewhat supervised.   
   RW>YOu wouldn't believe some of the stuff I saw those people do.   
      
   Jailers call them "dinks", as they have no place else to go, the   
   mental hospitals having no space or beds for them.   
      
   RW>I'm not a bigot, and I do believe that people should be   
   RW>treated fairly and humanely, but there are some folks who   
   RW>shouldn't be walkiong around without a keeper.  Some of   
   RW>them are way too dangerous to be turned loose in public,   
   RW>and if we can't have them well supervised, the best thing   
   RW>to do is fix 'em up a hot shot and push teh damned needle in.   
      
   Lethal injection is cruel and unusual punishment.  For example,   
   some very fat dude is appealing his death sentence on grounds that   
   he is too fat for the needle to do its job (his veins are too small,   
   or he is so fat that it is impossible to find a usable vein).  And   
   then there is the argument that one drug is not enough to do the   
   job, as the condemned would have no means of communicating that   
   he/she is in pain when the drug is being administered.   
      
   RW>There was one I had to deal with who was violent, I had to   
   RW>replace the white cane i use to move about three times in   
   RW>the same period of months, and i finally told the boss   
   RW>preacher there that if the state mental health folks dumped   
   RW>him on us again i"d probably slit his throat while he slept,   
   RW>and consider it taking out the garbage.   
      
   Oh, give it up, man.  The US Supreme Court has ruled that we   
   cannot execute crazy people.  The US Supreme Court has ruled that   
   we cannot execute retarded people.  The US Supreme Court has ruled   
   that we cannot execute children.  The US Supreme Court has ruled   
   that we cannot execute rapists.  If you want to execute folks,   
   become a barber.  That way, you get a license to hold a strait   
   razor and play cutthroat with your paying [and non-paying] customers.   
      
   RW>Removing him from the living would take care of the issue   
   RW>where he's concerned, but there are thousands of others, and   
   RW>our so-called mental health infrastructure doesn't do its   
   RW>job properly.   
      
   The mental health infrastructure needs a total overhaul.  And   
   a whole lot of more funding than it is presently getting to keep   
   it going.  Executing crazy people is not the answer.  We need to   
   study those folks.  Find out what makes them tick.  And then,   
   maybe, we can identify others who have the same problem.  And   
   help them, before they hurt others and themselves.   
      
   RW>I understand that these folks have a right to live in the   
   RW>least restrictive environment possible, but public safety should   
   RW>be a prime consideration when determining this.   
      
   Up until the 1930s all we did was lock crazy folks up in   
   mental institutions.  We did not know what else to do with them,   
   the only therapy being available to them at the time being "talk   
   therapy", and lobotomies.  "Talk therapy" rarely worked, and   
   lobotomies never worked.  But then something happened.  New   
   discoveries were made.  By the Germans.  Nazis in particular.   
   And American psychiatrists and psychologists were excited,   
   quickly adopting those methods as soon as they were able to   
   get their hands on those Nazi doctors.   
      
   Okay, I am being serious here.  German shrinks used drugs   
   in order to treat their patients.  And those German shrinks   
   had huge success.  Or so they said, not wanting to disappoint   
   their Fuhrer.  It was the age of eugenics.  And very popular   
   among the elite, especially in Germany, but also in America.   
   The Kennedy clan is very familiar with the methods used.   
      
   Today, in America and throughout the world, drugs are used   
   to treat mental patients.  And rather than keeping them locked   
   up forever at a mental institution, mental patients are placed   
   in communities, under close supervision by trained personnel.   
   The patients take their meds, think they are well, quit taking   
   their meds, and then have another episode.  Once the social   
   worker finds out about it, the former mental patient is sent   
   back to the hospital where shrinks have to convince him/her   
   to take his/her meds.  Once that is accomplished, the mental   
   patient is again returned to his/her community ...   
      
   --Lee   
      
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