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|    Matt Munson to All    |
|    Religous liberty and business    |
|    29 Dec 12 12:23:14    |
       Hello everybody!              I applaud people investing their money and making products and services people       want to patronize. Unfortunately there have been recent crises in the news       about the religious beliefs of the owners of companies and government. Recent       news have brought forth the refusal of Oklahoma based craft store Hobby Lobby       to fund the morning after pill because it leads to termination of pregnancy       and various business owners in states that opened up marriage to same sex       couples not wanting to do business with them.              Unfortunately we are entering the uncomfortable topic of should we allow       private business owners to object to laws on moral grounds. It is a very       dangerous precedent if allowed by our courts. I certainly would not want a       Jehovahs Witness employer to refuse to cover my blood transfusion if I got in       a major medical incident. I would not want a cost cutting employer to deny       medicines for Diabetes if I should need them to function properly.              The irony is craft and hobby stores have a dominant female clientele and they       are going to be hurting their female employees big time by their decision. I       remember during the Sandra Fluke incident earlier in 2012, she was asking for       her schools health plan to cover contraceptives and she got major flak from       Rush Limbaugh. Economically speaking, health care costs are higher when more       items are subsidized and in some cases you can get cheaper prices by paying in       cash. However people elected Democrats for better or worse and we got this       health care reform and we need to learn to live with it. As long as Hobby       Lobby is not covering Viagra or any other male comparable drug, that would be       the only out I could see viable.              If we want to prevent conservative business owners from going Galt as in the       case in Ayn Rands Atlas Shrugged where the productive people of society ran       away from an oppressive government, we need to adapt single payer. Single       payer would give all of us universal health care that would be free from the       dictates of the employer. This would lead to healthier workers and increased       productivity. Nothing prevents people in single payer health care systems to       take out private health insurance as in the case in the United Kingdom. If       conservatives dont want abortions dont have abortions. We could even pay women       to have an IUD device to prevent future abortions from happening which could       be a perfect compromise in Obamas America.              For Hobby Lobby they should understand that they are operating a business that       serves the public, it is not selective like a church where they can boot       people for not believing their principles of faith or boot people because they       may be queer. If you want to do business with the public you have to follow       the laws of the government no matter how silly they may be perceived to be. If       you do not like the rules of Caesar, you are more than welcomed to change the       government by donating money to politicians to make your world view come true.       I was bewildered that Hobby Lobby would not dare open up in California due to       its hostile regulatory climate and anti-discrimination laws for LGBT people in       the state, but they did, if Hobby Lobby was allowed to nullify the Obama rules       on contraceptives, imagine them saying we want to be allowed to discriminate       against LGBT employees in states that have those laws. However, what LGBT       person in their right mind wants to work there? Religious nullification of       laws would be very dangerous and outright stupid. If someone is a Muslim and       wants to be a supermarket checkout clerk at Albertsons, they should realize       that they will have to handle ham once in a while and there would be no       excuses or a designated ham holder to step in when the time arises.              For the photographer, innkeeper and the trolley owner who refuses to do       business because there are same sex couples in our society. Who in their right       mind wants to turn down customers in todays economy? I may feel uncomfortable       serving customers with face tattoos where the individuals likely came back       from prison, but I serve them with the best professionalism I can offer. We do       not need to carry a Four Square type application to find out which businesses       do not want to serve LGBT people or which businesses those are inclusive to       LGBT people. That is why there are public accommodation laws. Anarchy would       indeed give us liberty, but anarchy would be one massive headache if the       Burger King refuses to serve black people and the McDonalds across the street       do not want to serve Asians.                            Matt                     ... An armed populace is the greatest insurance against tyranny.       --- FMail/Win32 1.64.GPL-Beta        * Origin: (1:218/109)    |
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