LL>> Sure, people have the right to own guns.  That is not the issue.   
      
    JM> Yes it is the issue.   
      
    LL>> The issue is, what limitations as to the type of weapons and ammo   
    LL>> ahould be put in place   
      
    JM> If I have the right to own a gun, as you seem to agree,   
    JM> then ANY limit is a unwarranted limitation. This attack on   
      
    Very long ago I debated that same issue with an extreme right   
    wingers. One who considered Reagan a liberal. Your first mistake   
    is, the constitution does not say you have a right to keep and   
    bear guns, it says arms. His interpretation was that extends to   
    any weapon that exists.   
      
    Do you believe in the right to keep and bear nukes? How about   
    something more conventional, like anti-aircraft missiles?   
      
    You also said, "... ANY limit is a unwarranted limitation." A   
    literal reading of the 2nd amendment supports that. It also   
    means a convicted criminal in prison does have a right to keep   
    and bear arms. Unless you believe that you have to parse out   
    your meaning more carefully.   
      
    IOW, your true belief is either a matter of degrees of   
    limitation, or truly far out. Take your choice.   
      
    JM> "assault rifles" is all show for the dumb masses. You know   
    JM> if you pay the government enough you can own fully   
    JM> automatic machine guns.   
      
    And register them, and get a license, which requires a local LEO   
    willing to sign off on it. Which at least limits the nut cases   
    to areas where heavily armed nut cases are welcome.   
      
    JM> It is truly amazing how you and Bob think you can foresee   
    JM> the future with 100% certainty.   
      
    What is truly amazing is how little you pay attention to what is   
    actually posted. What is amazing is how you don't understand   
    analysis based on experience does have a decent chance of being   
    accurate.   
      
    JM>>> But setting that diversion aside, arming the teachers MIGHT have   
    JM>>> stopped him before as many kids had been killed.   
      
    LL>> Nah.  It would only have resulted in more dead teachers (and kids)   
    LL>> than the ones he did kill.   
      
    JM> It is truly amazing how you and Bob think you can foresee   
    JM> the future with 100% certainty.   
      
    Since I never said what Lee said, what is amazing his how you   
    ascribe opinions to those who have never expressed anything even   
    remotely similar. I support advancing security in schools by   
    recruiting Army and Marines approaching discharge to go to   
    teacher's colleges and become teachers.   
      
    However, I do not support arming teachers just on the basis of a   
    basic firearms training class. They would have to go through a   
    police level firearms class to meet my specs. I do think that   
    would be a good idea. Complete with going through the maze and   
    confronting criminal targets mixed with innocent people and you   
    flunk if you shoot one innocent.   
      
    LaPierre is an idiot in suggesting former military or even   
    former police for armed school security. Without *RECENT*   
    training they would not be qualified. Without school specific   
    training they would not be qualified.   
      
    They put cops in the high schools around here to keep order.   
    Real cops, not volunteers or former mil/cop rent-a-cops. I   
    support that, but boy would it be expensive to expand to   
    elementary and JR High schools.   
      
    During this news cycle I have read there are some 98,000+   
    schools in this country. The cost of keeping a cop in a school   
    is probably around $50-100K/yr. I bet toward the high side. Even   
    at $50k/yr that's about $5 billion a year. If you want it done   
    the federal government would have to do it.   
      
    I don't really have a problem with that, do you?   
      
      
      
      
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