On 12/24/2012 11:59, Lee Lofaso -> John Massey wrote:   
      
    JM>> Sure they had the opportunity. They just chose not to kill.   
      
    LL> The shooter's mother owned the guns (and ammo).   
    LL> The shooter's mother was the very first person to die.   
    LL> As she lay sleeping in her pajamas.  She most definitely   
    LL> should have swallowed.   
      
   What has that got to do with the millions of Americans with guns who killed no   
   one?   
      
    LL> Sure, people have the right to own guns.  That is not the issue.   
      
   Yes it is the issue.   
      
    LL> The issue is, what limitations as to the type of weapons and ammo   
    LL> ahould be put in place   
      
      
   If I have the right to own a gun, as you seem to agree, then ANY limit is a   
   unwarranted limitation. This attack on "assault rifles" is all show for the   
   dumb masses. You know if you pay the government enough you can own fully   
   automatic machine guns.   
      
    JM>> UNTIL then What harm is there in me owning what you call an assault   
    JM>> rifle?   
      
      
    LL> Some nutcase might steal it and shoot you in the head as you lay   
    LL> sleeping in your pajamas.   
      
   That's not likely, but it is a risk I am willing to take.   
   It would be of no risk to YOU unless you were the nutcase that tried to steal   
   it.   
      
    LL>  While the world would mourn your passing,   
      
   With the exception of a hand full of people  the world could not care less.   
      
    LL> that really would not help you much as your remains are placed six   
    LL> feet under.   
      
   Nothing so boring as that! I have plans for my remains.   
      
      
      
    LL>  Arming teachers is a horrible idea,   
      
   In your opinion   
      
      
    LL> as teachers are not trained in the use of weapons.   
      
   How do you know ALL teachers are not trained? You don't think that there are   
   thousands of teachers with CCW permits out there already?   
      
    LL> And they are   
    LL> hardly paid enough to teach, much less put their very lives   
    LL> on line by packing heat.   
      
   Shouldn't that be their choice, not your choice for them?   
      
    LL> And you want teachers to take on that duty without any extra training or   
   pay?   
      
   I do? If I didn't know better I would say you are making shit up.   
      
    LL> Why not just send kids to the police academy and let them learn   
    LL> from cops how to read and write?  Wouldn't that make more sense?   
      
   Only to the nut case who would suggest such an idea.   
      
      
      
    JM>> If so how are you 100% sure that if he knew the teachers were   
    JM>> armed it would not have discouraged him.   
      
    LL> Not only would we have dead school kids, but we would also have   
    LL> dead teachers.  And dead principals.  And dead cafeteria workers.   
    LL> And dead janitors.   
      
   It is truly amazing how you and Bob think you can foresee the future with 100%   
   certainty.   
      
    JM>> But setting that diversion aside, arming the teachers MIGHT have   
    JM>> stopped him before as many kids had been killed.   
      
    LL> Nah.  It would only have resulted in more dead teachers (and kids)   
    LL> than the ones he did kill.   
      
   It is truly amazing how you and Bob think you can foresee the future with 100%   
   certainty.   
      
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