On 12/24/2012 3:40, BOB KLAHN -> JOHN MASSEY wrote:   
      
    BK>>>   ...   
      
    JM>>>> How many LAW ABIDING Americans who own millions of "assault   
    JM>>>> rifles" killed no one this week?   
      
    BK>>>   They didn't have the opportunity.   
      
    JM>> Sure they had the opportunity. They just chose not to kill.   
      
    BK>   So, they witnessed an act of violence serious enough to warrant   
    BK>   shooting, and killing if necessary, and they did nothing?   
      
   Didn't say that and you know it. I said millions of people with  guns killed   
   no one. Nothing more nothing less.   
      
      
    JM>>>> Besides "assault rifles" are not used as a primary hunting   
    JM>>>> rife by serious hunters. That's not what they are for. Mine   
    JM>>>> will be used to defend my property when society breaks down   
    JM>>>> or ANYONE tries to take them away.   
      
    BK>>>   And when society does not break down?   
      
    JM>> Then I will have been shown wrong. UNTIL then What harm is   
    JM>> there in me owning what you call an assault rifle?   
      
    BK>   Since there is no real reason to do so, what is the good in it?   
      
   What harm is there?   
      
   You do not have an eye on the future, so you can not say with 100% certainty    
   that things won't get worse.  So now answer the question what harm is there    
   in me owning what you call an assault rifle?   
      
      
      
    JM>>>> Blaming guns for murder by an insane person is like blaming   
    JM>>>> the pencil and paper for misspelled words.   
      
    BK>>>   If the person is insane, then arming the teachers would not have   
    BK>>>   discouraged him.   
      
    JM>> It would not discourage him? You 100% sure? If so how are   
    JM>> you 100% sure that if he knew the teachers were armed it   
    JM>> would not have discouraged him.   
      
    BK>   You said he was insane. Though I doubt you did that within the   
    BK>   legal meaning of the words. Oh, also looked something up about   
    BK>   this, and found a large percentage of those who do try to   
    BK>   intervene in shootings with the licensed guns get shot.   
      
   Sorry Bob that's BS. Since you did not offer a link, I think you know that   
   what you posted is crap.   
    A large percent of criminal actions are stopped, with out a shot being fired,   
   or making the evening news.   
      
      
      
      
    JM>> But setting that diversion aside, arming the teachers MIGHT   
    JM>> have stopped him before as many kids had been killed.   
      
    BK>   Might have, given very good training.   
      
   We have excellent training facilities and instructors.   
      
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