Hello Bob,   
      
   On Tue 2012-Nov-20 09:08, BOB KLAHN (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:   
      
      
      
    RW> True, this fosters competition, and still gets those who   
    RW> would be left out when the private insurance systems cherry   
    RW> pick.  Single payer is just too unwieldy.   
      
   BK>  Esp since insurance in those countries is done by non-profits.  The   
   BK> managers are paid on number of people insured, not profits.    
      
   Which is the true performance measure that should be used,   
   but, remember "profit' trumps all.  EVen if it's done by   
   blatant rip off.   
      
    RW> As you catch up on mail bundles you'll have read my   
    RW> comments re a guy who used to do some bench tech work for   
    RW> me part time   
    RW> that had to quit working for me, and somebody else as well   
    RW> so as to retain access to the medications and treatments he   
    RW> needs to stay alive.   
      
      
   BK>  That is a major advantage. The claim that 800,000 jobs would be    
   BK> lost that the right wing pushed so much was really 800,000   
   BK>  people would leave the workforce because they are working   
   BK>  because they need the insurance, otherwise they would retire or    
   BK> leave to start their own business or just raise children.   
   BK>  Obamacare would make that affordable.   
      
   These same parasites have cost us far more jobs than that.   
      
   BK>>  The quality is just as high, and the cost is 2/3rds to 1/2 what  we   
   BK>> pay.   
      
    RW> I"ve never really crunched the numbers or really researched   
    RW> it, more important things to me, but that seems right on an   
    RW> intuitive level.   
      
   BK>  The low end policies are 8% of GDP, the high end is 12%. Ours is    
   BK> heading for 20%.   
      
   Yep, sounds about right, 1/5 of gdp, and otherwise   
   productive people kept out of the workforce because they   
   can't be productive and have access to life sustaining   
   medications and/or treatments.   
      
      
   Regards,   
              Richard   
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