Hello Richard,   
      
    RW>> YEah I know, but ...   
      
    LL>> But what?  Asians have to eat, too.   
      
   RW>YEah I know, it's kinda habit forming.   
   RW>As for but what ... but don't come across to me as some   
   RW>kind of great job creator and bringer of prosperity when   
   RW>it's all done with lies and bs.   
      
   Romney did create a number of temporary jobs during his quest   
   for the presidency.  Unfortunately, all those folks have since   
   been laid off, thanks to Obama.  Yes, it really is Obama's fault.   
      
    RW>> Hmmm, KB toy was a thriving popular destination at many   
    RW>> shopping malls across the country.  IT went Toes up under   
    RW>> the guidance of MItt Romney.   
      
    RW>> Yep, job creators, maybe for minimum wage drones, or more   
    RW>> like they created an opportunity to do a job on the   
    RW>> taxpayers.   
      
    LL>> Bob K. hates for me to bring this up, but in many cases folks are   
    LL>> much better off not working at all.  By working, those very same   
    LL>> folks deny themselves government benefits they would otherwise be   
    LL>> entitled to.  I call them "the working poor."  They earn too much to   
    LL>> qualify for govermnet benefits, but do not earn enough to pay for   
    LL>> those same things on the open market (food, rent, health care,   
    LL>> prescription drugs, etc.).   
      
    RW>> WE make more of them all the time as they go to work at   
    RW>> Walmart.  ,yup>  I know people who must work "under the   
    RW>> table" so as to keep those life saving benefits, because if   
    RW>> they didn't have them they couldn't pay for the medications   
    RW>> that keep them alive.     
      
    LL>> We have a system that is broken, needing to be fixed.  But nobody   
    LL>> (politicians) wants to fix the system as that would upset the status   
    LL>> quo.  Better to leave things as they are rather than take a chance   
    LL>> of getting booted out of office.   
      
   RW>Yeup, lost a good bench tech in the last year, I couldnt'   
   RW>afford to under the table him as far under as he needed me   
   RW>to go, and if I didn't he waas that close to the line of   
   RW>losing his government stipend, and more importantly, the   
   RW>medical that would go along with it.  But then, if I pay   
   RW>him totally under the table i hurt somebody else, and myself.   
   RW>Whatever, a skilled craftsman finds it more cost effective   
   RW>to idle his hands and not use his skills because working   
   RW>for me, and at least one oother enterprise would cost him.   
   RW>HE wants to work, likes his work.  Oh well.   
      
   Folks in third world countries never have to worry about any of that.   
   Those who can afford insurance have insurance and hence have access to   
   quality health care.  Those who cannot afford insurance are given the   
   same access to quality health care.  The same goes for prescription   
   drugs.  This country may have the best health care in the world, but   
   it is far from accessible for many people.  I have said it many times   
   before, and I'll say it again - if something is not affordable, it is   
   not accessible.   
      
   And housing.  Even the homeless are guaranteed housing by virtue of   
   "squatter's rights".  It is a crying shame that here in America we have   
   veterans who are indigent and homeless, as if what they did for this   
   country doesn't matter.  We should hang our collective heads in shame.   
      
    RW>> I get real tired of listening to these people piss moan and   
    RW>> whine about some guy getting food stamps when they look the   
    RW>> other way at billions of largess bestowed upon crooks on   
    RW>> Wall Street.   
      
    LL>> Lots of everyday folks invest in Wall Street.  Most of them   
    LL>> indirectly, and not with a lot a cash to worry about.  So please. Do   
    LL>> realize not everyone is a crook.  :)   
      
    RW>> Right, but the crooks are the guys who take those average   
    RW>> folks for the big ride, but I think you knew that's waht I   
    RW>> meant.   
      
    LL>> Yeah.  But sometimes folks can take my words too literally,   
    LL>> thinking I am being serious.  Many people are dependent on 401(k)   
    LL>> plans, and other retirement plans, thinking their retirement is   
    LL>> safely tucked away.  However, lots of folks found out the hard way   
    LL>> that such retirement plans are not as solid as they once seemed...   
      
   RW>Right, because the managers bought into the snake oil.   
   RW>PEnsion funds and the like lost too.   
      
   Money talks.  People listen.  But for every winner, there is a loser.   
   In order to make money you have to spend money.  Preferably other   
   people's money.  That is how the game is played.  Some folks play it   
   well, others not so well.  Such is life.   
      
    RW>> As for the great occupy movement, it was anotehr bad joke.   
      
    LL>> The occupy wall street movement has transformed itself into being   
    LL>> the occupy sandy movement.   
      
    RW>>    
      
    LL>> I was making a serious comment.  And you think I was joking?   
      
   RW>I figured you might be, but they'll probably be as effective   
   RW>at that as they were at occupying Wall Street .   
      
   And just as temporary.  I mean, them joisey girls can only   
   put up with them for so long...   
      
   --Lee   
      
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