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   Message 2,283 of 4,105   
   BOB KLAHN to RICHARD WEBB   
   the debt smokescreen   
   18 Oct 12 18:42:06   
   
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   BK>>  Esp since the great majority of that debt was accumulated under   
   BK>> three republican anti-tax presidents. Even what has accumulated   
   BK>> under Obama is a small portion by comparison.   
      
    RW> Right, and when you consider that a portion of that debt is   
    RW> incurred because our tax structure was revamped to enable   
    RW> the rich to pay less.  I hear all this whining about the   
    RW> so-called inheritance tax by folks that aren't going to   
    RW> have to pay it.  Unless a couple passes along $3 million or   
    RW> more to their kids they're not impacted.  HEre's all these   
      
    You suffer from a case of paying attention. Gotta go watch more   
    TV.   
      
    RW> average folks been duped into believing this is going to   
    RW> hurt them.  they need to engage a few brain cells adn   
    RW> actually bother to read instead of listen to the talking   
    RW> heads on the political ads.   
      
    Read? Think?   
      
    You damn liberal!   
      
   BK>>  You damn liberal!   
      
    RW> YOu might be surprised.  I'm a big nonsupporter of a lot of   
    RW> welfare programs, but I do think that being able to have   
    RW> usable public transit, roads that I don't have to avoid   
    RW> because I might lose a wheel or an axle are important, etc.   
      
    Oh, I want to do away with almost all welfare. Simple to do,   
    just make sure there are enough jobs to go around.   
      
    RW> What really rubs my fur the wrong direction is the same   
    RW> folks who want me to sell out my grandson's future for the   
    RW> extremely rich want me to give up my personal liberties in   
    RW> the process.  They'd rather the suoper rich didn't pay   
    RW> their fair share while we borrow money from other   
    RW> countries, which must be paid back with interest. This   
    RW> makes no sense to me!   
      
    See... you haven't watched enough TV.   
      
   BK>>  Yep. I've been saying that all along. We need jobs, and we need  to   
   BK>> bring back the factories.   
      
    RW> Right, but the part the liberals and the conservatives miss   
    RW> is this.  Back in the post ww ii period when all the   
    RW> employers offered great health insurance benefits, etc. for   
    RW> employees there was less competition internationally.  The   
    RW> tv you bought was made in the U.s>  The kitchen appliances   
    RW> you bought were made in America.  If we can't get the good   
    RW> factory jobs it's even more important to invest in such   
    RW> areas as research, etc.  Even Republicans such as former   
    RW> Senator PEte DOmenici of NEw mExico were saying this a   
    RW> decade ago.   
      
    Research will not accomplish much if we don't put it to use   
    here. Bring back the factories. Put tarrifs on imports from   
    cheap labor countries.   
      
    RW> The employers can no longer afford to provide their   
    RW> employees those decent health insurance packages.   
    RW> Competition won't allow it.  That means that if we want a   
    RW> healthy populace to be able to be productive something has   
    RW> to step into the gap.  There's only one entity that can be   
    RW> reasonably expected to step into that gap, and that's the   
    RW> Federal government.   
      
    Oh no... you said a dirty word.   
      
    RW> You have to adapt to conditions as you find them.  In many   
    RW> facets of our society we've failed to adapt.  ORganisms   
    RW> that don't adapt to prevailing conditions die off and become   
    RW> extinct, it's a fact of life.  this is true for societies   
    RW> as well as plants and animals.   
      
    Uh... yeah... that should be obvious... or do creationists   
    really believe God made us so much better than everyone else   
    that we don't have to make any effort?   
      
      
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