Hi Bob,
On Thu 2012-Oct-11 21:52, BOB KLAHN (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:
RW> I'm dead serious. Along with that, I'm rather disgusted
RW> with a bunch of octogenarians telling me bs instead of
RW> loking at the future with anything other than all this
RW> whining about national debt.
BK> Esp since the great majority of that debt was accumulated under
BK> three republican anti-tax presidents. Even what has accumulated
BK> under Obama is a small portion by comparison.
Right, and most of that national debt was incurred by people who do the least
for average folks. Screw that! YEah I
know, it's tough to swallow you gotta spend to get out of
the hole you dug yourself into, but that's where we are.
OUr young people need education, our electrical grid isn't
going to keep up with projected demand, and essential
infrastructure is crumbling.
BK> Yep. Shut down all the public colleges. If you can't afford a
BK> private college you are a peasant and deserve nothing.
Right, but please support medicare, meals on wheels, etc.
etc. Come on! YOu can't expect uneducated young people
with 30 hours or less a week to keep paying and paying into
this. As our baby boomers join the ranks of the seniors in
ever larger numbers we need those young people educated and
working at jobs that provide them the abilities to support
those seniors. But hey, join the plutocrats, I got mine,
screw you kids! NOpe, it don't work that way.
RW> want handsome" they tell us. Screw handsome! How about
RW> seeing what needs to be done re alternative energy
RW> production, improving the electrical distribution grid to
RW> meet future needs, repair and upgrading our transportation
RW> infrastructure, etc.
BK> You damn liberal!
Maybe, but I became a libertarian because i realized that
the dumbed down tv watching populace will buy whatever the
guy who spends most money for ads tells them, and that the
lifestyle my parents afforded wasn't going to trickle down
to my kids and grandkids. i had a graspof this sad fact in
1980, the first time I voted libertarian.
IF we can't put our resources places where it will benefit
us the most then nobody should get anything imho. iF we're
not going to provide for maintenance of that essential
infrastructure, including health care and education, then
scrwe it, shut down this massive bureaucracy and let those
people join the ranks of the unemployed. Undo this snarl of red tape that
hurts small business the most, and let it be
truly every man for himself. I'm sorry, we had to
take away grandma's paid for scooter from the scooter store. Along with it,
say goodbye to vocational rehab if you were
hurt on the job, farewell to public education as well. YOu
can't have it both ways! Either you invest in sustaining
your society or you invest in none of it, truly every man
for himself!
RW> You put people to work at other than 30 hours or less a
RW> week at Walmart then you have the money for medical care for
RW> octogenarians. otherwise, I'm sorry, but we just can't
RW> afford it!
BK> Yep. I've been saying that all along. We need jobs, and we need to
BK> bring back the factories.
OF course. That's the only way we can do it. Right now you can forget
younger folks with families owning their own
homes, having the things we grew up with. ITs' not
available to them, but every time they tell us that they
need proper medical care for their kids, schools that really do the job, etc.
they're told sorry it isn't available, and
they're told this by moochers waving their tea party banners while cruising
around on an electric scooter they paid for,
with an oxygen tube up their noses that the young paid for,
meals on wheels that the young paid for. We're a culture
that's hellbent on eatings its young!
RW> YEt I still see a lot of apathy among young working age
RW> folks. they don't figure that it makes any difference
RW> whether they vote for tweedle ddumb or tweedle dumber.
RW> Can't blame them, it's more for the plutocracy, screw them!
RW> iT isn't going to improve their lives whichever one they
RW> vote for. The only thing I get from both parties when
RW> trying to talk to our younger voters is "drop your pants
RW> and bend over."
BK> Obama doesn't know, Romney doesn't care. They actually believe the
BK> interest rate on student loans is a problem. Hell no! It's the
BK> student loans themselves.
Yep, I've always said that if I'm going to pay taxes one of
the things I'd think is a prime reason to pay them as so
that every young person can get a free education and a real
start in life, and said education should be appropriate to
his abilities. Then let him start out raising a family, and contributing to
the tax base, to his community in other
ways, etc. There's the potential for a much greater return
on investment.
RW> I keep telling my grandson to be careful to go into a field
RW> that can't be outsourced to China or somewhere similar.
BK> Which everyone else will be trying to get into.
There's the rub!
BK> Medical bills are a major factor in over 50% of bankruptcies. So
BK> businesses lose their money, and debtors wind up with little or
BK> nothing, but the medical industry, the cause of so many
BK> bankruptcies, is protected against the disaster they caused.
BK> Repeal the Bankruptcy (De)reform act of 2005 or whenever, and let
BK> hospitals and doctors share the risks with the rest of us.
I'd agree with that. That whole profession imho is serving
us poorly. My lady got better medical care before they
finally funneled her into medicare/medicaid. When I could
no longer afford to pay her cobra and the co-pays for her
meds the state of louisiana provided better medical care for her than she's
received since we got here to Tennessee, and
right before we left Louisiana the state system that cares
for the medically indigent finally helped her fight the
fight to get medicare/medicaid and her disability. Since
she's been here it's been all about separating the taxpayer
from his money while we use this lady as a human
experimental animal. Finally she's going to a doctor who
understands that endangering a brittle diabetic for invasive testing that's
inconclusive is stupid.
BK> Why would colleges and universities hold costs down, when
BK> students can get loans for any amount they need? Why would
BK> lenders not give out those loans, as long as they are guaranteed
BK> they will get their money back?
Right, and then look at some of the private institutions,
STrayer, etc. that have come under fire recently for not
providing students a high quality education. They suck down the student loan
money, and oftentimes the students still
can't afford to remain in school and complete the degree
program.
BK> And people wonder why the cost of education keeps rising faster
BK> than inflation, and yet students have debts they can't pay back.
It's no wonder, it's very simple.
Regards,
Richard
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