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   BOB KLAHN to FRANK SCHEIDT   
   The problem with Fidonet.   
   25 Sep 12 11:46:48   
   
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   FS> I've pointed that out many times in other political debate   
   FS> areas.  No one will accept that, unfortunately.  To Obama's   
   FS> crew, facts mean little.   
      
   *Wall Street Journal*: 70 percent of economists surveyed said   
   stimulus helped. **The Wall Street Journal reported on March 12   
   that 38 of the 54 economists it surveyed "said the American   
   Recovery and Reinvestment Act boosted growth and mitigated job   
   losses, while six said the legislation had a net negative   
   effect."   
      
   **ABC News: Most on panel of economists "think the economy would   
   be worse" without the stimulus. **ABC News reported on February   
   18 that "most" of the economists on its panel "think the economy   
   would be worse today without the big aid package, which totaled   
   $787 billion and was signed into law by President Obama on Feb.   
   17, 2009."   
      
   **NABE: 83 percent say stimulus raised GDP. **A February survey   
   of 203 members of the National Association for Business   
   Economics (NABE) found that "[e]ighty-three percent believe that   
   GDP is currently higher than it would have been without the 2009   
   stimulus package (ARRA)."   
      
   *USA Today*: Surveyed economists said "stimulus package saved   
   jobs." **USA Today reported on January 25:   
      
      President Obama's stimulus package saved jobs -- but the   
   government still needs to do more to breathe life into the   
   economy, according to USA TODAY's quarterly survey of 50   
   economists.   
      
      Unemployment would have hit 10.8% -- higher than December's   
   10% rate -- without Obama's $787 billion stimulus program,   
   according to the economists' median estimate. The difference   
   would translate into another 1.2 million lost jobs.   
      
    FS> But that's all merely *speculation*!  No one can predict   
    FS> the future and "economists" have an especially bad   
    FS> reputation in that area.   
      
    Just the economists beloved by the right.   
      
    Remember, all these economists are in the private sector, and   
    they all have very good reason to get it right. Such as, they   
    get fired if they don't.   
      
    FS> I strongly suspect the above   
    FS> speculation is mostly driven by the irrational liking of   
    FS> Barack Obama by the "news"media ...   
      
    Right wing media like the WSJ? Business economists who have   
    every reson to be conservative?   
      
    No, Frank, accept it, the stimulus worked.   
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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