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   FRANK SCHEIDT to BOB KLAHN   
   The problem with Fidonet.   
   17 Sep 12 21:41:02   
   
   -> ->>  BK>   ...   
   ->    
   -> ->>  JM>> Well all the big 0 hasn't done anything except attack   
   -> ->>  JM>> Romney. When will he begin to run on his record instead of   
   -> ->>  JM>> away from it?   
   ->    
   -> ->>  BK>   He's had to spend so much time defending his record against   
   the   
   -> ->>  BK>   lies told by the right that he's learned, attack works better   
   -> ->>  BK>   than playing nice.   
   ->    
   -> ->>  BK>   The Stimulus really did work.   
   ->    
   -> ->> No it did not.   
   -> ->> Just like he didn't save the American Auto Industry.   
   ->    
   ->  FS> I've pointed that out many times in other political debate   
   ->  FS> areas.  No one will accept that, unfortunately.  To Obama's   
   ->  FS> crew, facts mean little.   
   ->    
   ->  *Wall Street Journal*: 70 percent of economists surveyed said   
   ->  stimulus helped. **The Wall Street Journal reported on March 12   
   ->  that 38 of the 54 economists it surveyed "said the American   
   ->  Recovery and Reinvestment Act boosted growth and mitigated job   
   ->  losses, while six said the legislation had a net negative   
   ->  effect."   
   ->    
   ->  **ABC News: Most on panel of economists "think the economy would   
   ->  be worse" without the stimulus. **ABC News reported on February   
   ->  18 that "most" of the economists on its panel "think the economy   
   ->  would be worse today without the big aid package, which totaled   
   ->  $787 billion and was signed into law by President Obama on Feb.   
   ->  17, 2009."   
   ->    
   ->  **NABE: 83 percent say stimulus raised GDP. **A February survey   
   ->  of 203 members of the National Association for Business   
   ->  Economics (NABE) found that "[e]ighty-three percent believe that   
   ->  GDP is currently higher than it would have been without the 2009   
   ->  stimulus package (ARRA)."   
   ->    
   ->  *USA Today*: Surveyed economists said "stimulus package saved   
   ->  jobs." **USA Today reported on January 25:   
   ->    
   ->     President Obama's stimulus package saved jobs -- but the   
   ->  government still needs to do more to breathe life into the   
   ->  economy, according to USA TODAY's quarterly survey of 50   
   ->  economists.   
   ->    
   ->     Unemployment would have hit 10.8% -- higher than December's   
   ->  10% rate -- without Obama's $787 billion stimulus program,   
   ->  according to the economists' median estimate. The difference   
   ->  would translate into another 1.2 million lost jobs.   
      
   But that's all merely *speculation*!  No one can predict the future and   
   "economists" have an especially bad reputation in that area.  I strongly   
   suspect the above speculation is mostly driven by the irrational liking of   
   Barack Obama by the "news"media ...   
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