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|    Lee Lofaso to BOB KLAHN    |
|    Dangers of a Mormon Prez    |
|    17 Sep 12 20:00:13    |
      Hello Bob,               FS>> Romney's religion is not an issue. Religion, as an issue, stopped        FS>> when John Kennedy was elected.               MM>> Romney's religion does affect public policy.               LL>> A president's religion does (and should) affect public        LL>> policy. I see a problem, a very big problem, if a president        LL>> were to run the office of the presidency as would an        LL>> atheist. Americans are a religious (and spiritual) people.        LL>> Our constitution was written by religious (and spiritual)        LL>> people. As such, our president should reflect the values        LL>> of the American people.              BK>The values of the American people are best expressed by the       BK>main body of the constitution's banning of religious tests for       BK>office, and the first amendment's requirement that the govt not       BK>promote religion.              Not promote a *specific* religion. Big difference.              The First Amendment has a dual meaning, having nothing to do with a       president's duties. Let's look at the phrase "Congress shall make no       law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free       expression thereof." What does that mean? In one sense, Congress       shall not establish a state church, or state religion. In another       sense, the amendment prohibits the Congress from making any law which       would interfere with the beliefs held by anyone, regardless of what       those beliefs might be.              In regards to the presidency (and members of Congress, etc.), Article       VI stipulates that "no Religious Test shall ever be required as a       Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."              Why did the Framers of the Constitution include that clause? Because       Christians loved to fight amongst themselves. And the only way to get       them to agree on anything was to let everybody play.              It can be argued that any belief (including atheism) is a religion.       In fact, that is often the argument used by many theologians. However,       not all governments (such as the government of Indonesia) view atheism       as a religion. I'll give you an example -              Years ago I had an online conversation with a woman from Indonesia.       She explained how their government required an individual's religion       to be printed on their driver's license. She was a Christian, so her       religion was noted as Christian on her driver's license. Muslims       would have their religion noted as Islam. Hindus would have their       religion noted as Hindu. Buddhists, Bahai'i, Confucius, etc., same       thing. However, atheism was not noted as being a religion, so their       religion reverted to the default religion - Islam. Which explains       why there are so many Muslims in Indonesia.              --Lee              --- MesNews/1.06.00.00-gb        * Origin: news://felten.yi.org (2:203/2)    |
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