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   Message 2,028 of 4,105   
   BOB KLAHN to LEE LOFASO   
   An essay about Love, State and humanity   
   08 Aug 12 08:20:30   
   
   AK>>Many Russians prefer to keep it, even if they become citizens of the   
   AK>>US, because the procedure of leaving from the Russian citizenship is   
   AK>>very long, tricky and expensive. The US does not recognize double   
   AK>>citizenship, but does not demand from its people to refuse from   
   AK>>their former citizenship if they have one.   
      
    LL> Actually, the US does recognize dual citizenship.  But only   
    LL> for those from two other countries - Vatican City and   
    LL> Israel.  Along with those who marry into the Kennedy clan -   
    LL> such as disgraced Austrian movie star Arnold Shwarzenegger   
    LL> (thanks to an Act of Congress granting him US citizenship).   
      
    What act of congress? When?   
      
    LL> But here's the kicker, and where your story completely   
    LL> falls apart. You mentioned in your essay "...but does not   
    LL> demand from its people to refuse from their former   
    LL> citizenship if they have one."   
      
    LL> Here is the full text of the oath of citizenship -   
      
    LL> "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely   
    LL> renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any   
    LL> foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or   
    LL> which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I   
    LL> will support and defend the Constitution and laws of   
      
    Yet the US Govt does not require the person do anything about   
    that. IOW, as far as the other nation is concerned you can still   
    be a citizen there.   
      
    ...   
      
   AK>>The Russian passport expired, but Julia had no time to renew   
   AK>>it in San-Francisco where the nearest Russian consulate was.   
      
    LL> RED FLAG ALERT! RED FLAG ALERT! RED FLAG ALERT! RED FLAG   
    LL> ALERT!   
      
    LL> Julia was no longer a Russian citizen!   
      
    As far as Russia was concerned?   
      
    LL> No American citizen can travel on a Russian passport,   
    LL> even if that Russian passport had not expired!   
      
    Unless other countries allow it.   
      
    LL> Even if Julia still been a Russian citizen, the   
    LL> Russian passport she had was expired and no longer valid!   
      
    That is the only part that is relevant.   
      
   AK>>But when she was making the Russian visa for her son,   
      
    LL> No private citizen can make a visa for a child, or even for   
    LL> another adult!  Only governments can do that!  And then only   
    LL> for its own citizens, not the citizens of other countries!   
      
    You are arguing a gramatical point.   
      
   AK>>Julia's under age son was born in the US, and entered Russia with   
   AK>>Russian visa in his US passport. This visa should get expired in a   
      
    LL> Her son can thank the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution,   
    LL> making him a naturalized citizen, not having to take the   
    LL> oath of citizenship like his stranded mother.   
      
    Since he was born in this country he is a natural born citizen,   
    not naturalized.   
      
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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