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|    BOB KLAHN to LEE LOFASO    |
|    An essay about Love, State and humanity    |
|    08 Aug 12 08:20:30    |
      AK>>Many Russians prefer to keep it, even if they become citizens of the       AK>>US, because the procedure of leaving from the Russian citizenship is       AK>>very long, tricky and expensive. The US does not recognize double       AK>>citizenship, but does not demand from its people to refuse from       AK>>their former citizenship if they have one.               LL> Actually, the US does recognize dual citizenship. But only        LL> for those from two other countries - Vatican City and        LL> Israel. Along with those who marry into the Kennedy clan -        LL> such as disgraced Austrian movie star Arnold Shwarzenegger        LL> (thanks to an Act of Congress granting him US citizenship).               What act of congress? When?               LL> But here's the kicker, and where your story completely        LL> falls apart. You mentioned in your essay "...but does not        LL> demand from its people to refuse from their former        LL> citizenship if they have one."               LL> Here is the full text of the oath of citizenship -               LL> "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely        LL> renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any        LL> foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or        LL> which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I        LL> will support and defend the Constitution and laws of               Yet the US Govt does not require the person do anything about        that. IOW, as far as the other nation is concerned you can still        be a citizen there.               ...              AK>>The Russian passport expired, but Julia had no time to renew       AK>>it in San-Francisco where the nearest Russian consulate was.               LL> RED FLAG ALERT! RED FLAG ALERT! RED FLAG ALERT! RED FLAG        LL> ALERT!               LL> Julia was no longer a Russian citizen!               As far as Russia was concerned?               LL> No American citizen can travel on a Russian passport,        LL> even if that Russian passport had not expired!               Unless other countries allow it.               LL> Even if Julia still been a Russian citizen, the        LL> Russian passport she had was expired and no longer valid!               That is the only part that is relevant.              AK>>But when she was making the Russian visa for her son,               LL> No private citizen can make a visa for a child, or even for        LL> another adult! Only governments can do that! And then only        LL> for its own citizens, not the citizens of other countries!               You are arguing a gramatical point.              AK>>Julia's under age son was born in the US, and entered Russia with       AK>>Russian visa in his US passport. This visa should get expired in a               LL> Her son can thank the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution,        LL> making him a naturalized citizen, not having to take the        LL> oath of citizenship like his stranded mother.               Since he was born in this country he is a natural born citizen,        not naturalized.                            BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              ... Coffee cup empty...system crash in 5 , 4 , 3 , 2 , 1 &$%&$###$%&*^^&       --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]        * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 And Still Here. Join Us: www.DocsPl (1:123/140)    |
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