BK>>   Which does not address my response to your comment, nor your   
    BK>>   comment itself. Until you can guarantee what medical care you   
    BK>>   will need that's non-responsive to life.   
      
    JM> Until you can guarantee your Government plan will cover   
    JM> what I need AND will be there when I need it, I'll pass on   
    JM> it, and stay with what I've got.   
      
    The "Government" plan is you have what you have now. You don't   
    seem to understand, Obamacare does not create any new health   
    care plans, all it does is guarantee access to existing   
    plans. There is existing insurance, with benefits adjusted to   
    meet your requirement that it cover what you need, and be there   
    when you need it. Currently many insurance policies do not meet   
    that standard. If yours does you won't notice any significant   
    change.   
      
    BTW, the "public option" would have created a new plan, but that   
    was taken out. That was the single most significant cost   
    containment part of the plan, but the right didn't care, they   
    forced it out.   
      
    Access includes coverage for existing conditions, and an   
    exchange where you can choose your policy if you don't have one.   
    That is much like the federal government's system, only private   
    sector employers get to chose the policy and don't have to   
    provide a choice on the exchange. The exchange is for   
    individually purchased insurance.   
      
    The rest provides subsidies for individual purchases where the   
    person's income is not enough to pay for insurance, which is   
    very much like the republican plan to provide vouchers or   
    refundable tax credits. Remember, this was originally a   
    republican plan. Medicaid is going to be expanded to cover those   
    who would not be helped by the above vouchers or tax credits.   
      
    I assume you know the insurance exchanges are state run unless   
    the state choses not to, in which case they will be federally   
    run in those states. Also, while the ACA does not forbid   
    abortion funding, that is covered by another federal law and the   
    ACA specifically forbids paying for abortions as forbidden by   
    that law. What I did not know is, the ACA also requires no   
    federal funds be involved even to the extent of offsetting the   
    funds spent to cover abortion.   
      
    In addition, while insurers are allowed to cover abortion if   
    federal funds are not involved, the ACA requires the exchange to   
    include at least one policy that does not cover abortion, even   
    with private funds, as covered by existing law governing federal   
    funds.   
      
    BK>>>>   should  not even seek treatment when you are injured or ill.   
      
    JM>>> Why not I have insurance.   
      
    BK>>   You said people with healthcare die. Unless you want to die   
      
    JM> Not to many sane people want to die.   
      
    That's an evasion.   
      
    JM>>> Should have said care for instead care about.   
    JM>>>  You do understand the difference between "to care for"   
    JM>>>  and "to care about."   
      
    BK>>   Yes. But it's not as wide as you seem to think.   
      
    JM> Or as close as you do.   
      
    Time wasting diversion.   
      
    BK>>   So, you are   
    BK>>   saying you wouldn't mind if someone you care about dies for lack   
    BK>>   of medical care? Or is that just another diversion you throw out   
    BK>>   there?   
      
    JM> Of course I would mind. Most likely I would be upset, but   
    JM> life goes on.   
      
    Most likely? If you really care upset would be the   
    understatement of the year.   
      
    Some of the Colorado Theater Shooting victims are uninsured.   
    Statistically 1 out of 3 Colorado residents are uninsured or   
    under insured, and the biggest group are 18 to 34 year olds.   
    That's a group probably heavily represented in that theatre. As   
    of yet how many are uninsured is not known, but a few are known,   
    including the man whose wife had a baby while he is in a coma in   
    the same hospital. His bills are estimated to run somewhere   
    around $2million.   
      
    Several of the hospitals have announced they are waiving costs   
    for the uninsured, or co-pays for those not able to afford them,   
    but that's only for the hospital itself, not the doctors, and   
    only for while they are in the hospital. Followups and rehab are   
    likely to be very long, or even lifetime, and that's not   
    guaranteed to be exempt from costs.   
      
    If Obamacare goes away those people won't be able to get   
    coverage because being shot is a pre-existing condition.   
      
    IOW, your way leaves those people with nothinig.   
      
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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