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   BOB KLAHN to JOHN MASSEY   
   'Let me get this straight . . ..   
   25 Jul 12 04:52:26   
   
    JM> 'Let me get this straight . . ..   
    JM> We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are   
    JM> forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which,   
      
    Nope. The "plan" is not what you purchase. You purchase   
    insurance from the private sector. The "plan" is just a way to   
    set it up.   
      
    JM> purportedly covers at least ten million more people,   
      
    More like 30 million.   
      
    JM> without adding a single new doctor,   
      
    JM> but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,   
      
    ACA does not provide for one single new IRS agent. The false   
    claim originated with republican members of the house W&M   
    committee, who took the highest projected number, assumed all of   
    the money went to hiring employees, nothing for offices or   
    supplies or computers, etc, that there would be no raises over   
    the next decade and a half, and no inflation. From that they   
    derived the govt *MAY* hire 16,500 new *EMPLOYEES*, not agents.   
      
    Agents are the ones who call on you to collect, or conduct face   
    to face audits. And the ones who are LEOs, and carry guns, are   
    Special Agents, not just agents.   
      
    The more accurate estimate is about 5,000 employees, few of whom   
    will be agents of any kind. Most will be clerks and analysts and   
    accountants and their work is likely to be mostly processing tax   
    credits for small businesses.   
      
    Info from Fact Check and Politi Fact.   
      
    JM> written by a committee whose chairman says   
    JM> he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't   
    JM> read it (but exempted themselves from it), and signed by a   
      
    Congress is not exempted from it. Congress has long met the   
    standards. Remember, the law does not establish a new demand   
    for insurance that congress doesn't already meet. Business that   
    provides insurance for it's employees are in compliance, as   
    congress already is. It's the insurance companies who have to   
    comply, and the exchanges only make their plans accessible to   
    those buying their own plans.   
      
    JM> President who smokes, with funding administered by a   
    JM> treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,  for which we'll   
      
    The treasury chief paid his taxes. He was delayed as he had   
    reason to believe the taxes in question were not due. When he   
    found out they were he paid them.   
      
    JM> be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by   
      
    Thank your republican breathern for that.   
      
    JM> a congress which has already bankrupted Social Security and   
      
    Social security is not bankrupt. Nor will it be if we get   
    unemployment down below 5% *REAL*. If we don't, don't worry   
    about it, because the country is going under.   
      
    JM> Medicare, all to be overseen by an obese surgeon general   
      
    Medicare will not be broke if we expand ACA to the quality of   
    *EVERY* other national health care plan in the industrialized   
    world.   
      
    JM> and financed by a country that's broke!!   
      
    The country is not broke, it's unemployed. Get unemployment down   
    to 5% real and the country starts to rebuild and solve our   
    problems.   
      
    JM> What the hell could possibly go wrong?'   
      
    The republicans could steal another election, and prove the   
    government doesn't work... under republicans.   
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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