-=> John Massey wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-   
      
    DD> Wait a minute here. You said a few days ago that you use contractors   
    DD> exclusively. Now you claim to have employees. Which is it?   
      
    JM> I NEVER said I use contractors exclusively. Like a lot of your crap,   
    JM> you pulled that one out of you ass.   
      
   To Quote your very words:    
      
   Message 469    
      
   FROM: John Massey   
   TO: Bob Klahn   
      
   SUBJECT: Obama Cares   
      
   On 7/15/2012 6:54, BOB KLAHN -> JOHN MASSEY wrote:   
      
   BK> Do you provide insurance for your employees?   
      
   I pay my employees as independent contractors. I pay them a set hourly wage    
   with nothing taken out. If they don't provide healthcare for then-self and   
   family it's their problem.   
      
   /Close cut and paste/   
      
   You may consider them as "employees" but, they are, in reality (you do know   
   what that is, living over there in conserva-fantasy land as you do),   
   contractors.   
      
   Now, I don't know what in state you operate your little business. But, when I   
   ran the satellite business I used both employees and contractors.   
      
   Employees had taxes, FICA, etc. withheld from their wages by law. Contractors   
   were paid - by the job, not by the hour, had to carry their own workers comp   
   insurance, contractor's liability, etc. And furnish their own tools, transport,   
   and training. And handle their own taxes.    
      
   I operated in three Midwestern states and hassled all this out with the various   
   departments of employment security, the feds, and the various state tax people.   
      
   If you pay your people as independent contractors (your words) with nothing   
   taken out of their compensation for taxes, etc. then they are NOT employees in   
   any state I have ever operated in or had experience of.   
      
   And if they are employees, under your direction and control, then you had   
   better be paying into their unemployment insurance - if nothing else. Else you   
   may learn to your chagrin what that costs you if one of them files a claim.   
      
   So, Johnny, I didn't pull that out of my arse. But, you do know where you can   
   stick it, do you not.   
      
   Nail it to the wall - so you won't forget that your own words will come back to   
   haunt you.   
      
   I fully expect you to weasel-word, bluster and cavil to try and make it seem as   
   if I have twisted your clearly stated words.   
      
   Do your best. I am done with you. You have no credibility with anyone who has   
   the native wit to parse a sentence and comprehend what is said.   
      
   If I knew what state you operate in I am almost tempted to dime you to the   
   state employment authorities and to the Feral Gummint's Eternal Revenue Service   
   and specify that any "whistle blower" rewards be given to the Obama re-election   
   campaign. Just as a further irony.   
      
   ... He does the work of 3 Men ... Moe, Larry & Shemp   
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