On 7/17/2012 1:17, BOB KLAHN -> JOHN MASSEY wrote:   
      
    JM>> Or any where from weeks to months later. I needed an MRI   
    JM>> after the motorcycle accident (not in an er but later) I   
    JM>> got it the next day. I hear people waiting for months in   
    JM>> Canada and countries in Europe.   
      
    BK>   Where do you hear about people waiting for MRIs? Optional   
    BK>   treatments, yes, MRIs such like that, not likely.   
      
   Bob the reports of waiting times for medical care under the type of system you   
   support. I'm sure with you ability to find stuff on the internet you could   
   choose to inform yourself.   
      
      
    BK>>>   My insurance company does...   
      
    JM>> Then let the Doctor and insurance company work it out.   
    JM>> The Government doesn't need to be involved.   
      
    BK>   You really don't know how O'Romney care works, do you?   
      
   I know enough to know I don't like it.   
      
    BK>>>   Whatever you want to claim about doctors getting anything they   
    BK>>>   can get away with, I will say they don't deserve 20% of the GDP   
    BK>>>   of this country.   
      
    JM>> Fortunately for us, what you say doesn't mean squat   
      
    BK>>>   Unfortunately for all of us, that 20% is what is likely to   
    BK>>>   bankrupt this country.   
      
   How long do you think that will take?   
      
    BK>>>   Do you provide insurance for your employees?   
      
    JM>> I pay my employees as independent contractors. I pay them a   
    JM>> set hourly wage with nothing taken out. If they don't   
    JM>> provide healthcare for then-self and family it's their   
    JM>> problem.   
      
    BK>   IOW, you can't honestly say you pay them enough. Or do you   
    BK>   believe they can individually buy insurance for a price in the   
    BK>   range of business? Do you know what it will cost them? Do you   
    BK>   pay them enough to have a middle class standard of living and   
    BK>   pay for insurance?   
      
   What does that come to in $ per hr?   
      
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