On 7/17/2012 0:35, BOB KLAHN -> JOHN MASSEY wrote:   
      
    JM>>>> Yes.   Can you buy car insurance after a wreak? Can you buy   
    JM>>>> fire insurance after the house burns down?   
      
    BK>>>   You have to have car insurance before you drive.   
      
    JM>> Not if you only drive on private property.   
      
    BK>   And if you could guarantee you will never need medical care I   
    BK>   would be willing to say you should not be required to be under   
    BK>   the medical care insurance system.   
      
   I say that if I am willing to give up claim to your medical care insurance   
   system AND provide for my own future medical care, I should not be forced to   
   pay into YOUR  medical care insurance system.   
      
   I say the same thing about So-So-security.   
      
    JM>>>> What about them?  Are they expected to treat people that   
    JM>>>> can't afford treatments.  If the person that needs treating   
    JM>>>> can't pay who will?   
      
    BK>>>   Thank you for admitting that your position results in, if they   
    BK>>>   can't pay let them die.   
      
    JM>> Life's a bitch.   
      
    BK>   I would trade all the wealth of all the billionaires in the   
    BK>   world for one child's life.   
      
   And that would be your choice. Unfortunately for you it's not yours to give.   
   You can only give what you have. You seem to think because you would give more   
   than you have, it gives you some sanctimonious excuse to take others'.   
   I don't think it does.   
      
    BK>>>   If you chose not to have health insurance, and can't pay for   
    BK>>>   medical care, then letting you die might be reasonable. Since   
    BK>>>   the great majority of the uninsured have long been working poor,   
    BK>>>   who can't afford insurance, then being poor is a death sentence   
    BK>>>   under your theory.   
      
    JM>> All the more reason to make life choices that help not hurt.   
      
    BK>   That implies omnicience. Your reasoning leads to, one mistake   
    BK>   should be a death sentence. Sorry, advanced societies don't work   
    BK>   that way.   
      
   Not one mistake. More likely,  a lifetime of bad choices. Ya know the old   
   phrase every mother says after a teenage thug gets killed holding up the local   
   7-11, He's a good kid he just fell in with the wrong kids, well other kids  do   
   not The ones that chose not to fall in with the wrong crowd, the one that stay   
   in school, don't get pregnant, don't get someone pregnant, stay off drugs,   
   that will work at menial jobs to get experience,  most likely become   
   productive citizens.   
      
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