BK>>   Nope. In the 1st world nations with national health care people   
    BK>>   get medical care when they need it,   
      
    JM> Or any where from weeks to months later. I needed an MRI   
    JM> after the motorcycle accident (not in an er but later) I   
    JM> got it the next day. I hear people waiting for months in   
    JM> Canada and countries in Europe.   
      
    Where do you hear about people waiting for MRIs? Optional   
    treatments, yes, MRIs such like that, not likely.   
      
    Or, if in doubt, adopt the Japanese system, half our cost, more   
    MRIs and Cat scans than the US has per person, more hospital   
    beds, longer hospital stays, again, half our cost out of the   
    GDP.   
      
    BK>>   My doctor's compensation is between my doctor and my insurance   
    BK>>   company. I would be pretty sure that is how it is for most   
    BK>>   people. That being the case, those without insurance are really   
    BK>>   shafted, as the doctor has a real problem with the insurance   
    BK>>   company with cutting prices, and no real incentive to do so.   
      
    JM> I assume you have never negotiated with a Doctor over cost.   
      
    Why would I? My insurance company does. Do you get a better   
    price by negotiating?   
      
    LL>>>>> Where did I say that doctors and nurses and other health   
    BK>> professionals   
    LL>>>>> should not be given fair compensation for their work?   
      
    JM>>>> Nowhere, you just want to tell them how much they can make   
      
    BK>>   My insurance company does...   
      
    JM> Then let the Doctor and insurance company work it out.   
    JM> The Government doesn't need to be involved.   
      
    You really don't know how O'Romney care works, do you? That is   
    how it works, the insurance exchanges only allow you to chose   
    the insurance company, it doesn't set prices. The insurance   
    companies still negotiate the prices with the medical industry.   
    That part doesn't change.   
      
    BK>>   Whatever you want to claim about doctors getting anything they   
    BK>>   can get away with, I will say they don't deserve 20% of the GDP   
    BK>>   of this country.   
      
    JM> Fortunately for us, what you say doesn't mean squat   
      
    Unfortunately for all of us, that 20% is what is likely to   
    bankrupt this country. The Soviet Union spent 15% of their GDP   
    on the military, do you think 20% on medical care isn't going to   
    be disasterous?   
      
    JM>>>>> SO WHAT? There is no UN plan to pay for the freeloaders, except to   
    JM>>>>> tax the U.S. and that power is NOT subject to ANY UN treaty.   
      
    BK>>   The constant reference to freeloaders and moochers just is a   
    BK>>   play to distort reality so your side can claim a win by covering   
    BK>>   up the fact that most uninsured are not moochers or freeloaders,   
    BK>>   they are decent hardworking people who don't make enough money   
    BK>>   to buy insurance, and don't get it from their employer.   
      
    BK>>   Do you provide insurance for your employees?   
      
    JM> I pay my employees as independent contractors. I pay them a   
    JM> set hourly wage with nothing taken out. If they don't   
    JM> provide healthcare for then-self and family it's their   
    JM> problem.   
      
    IOW, you can't honestly say you pay them enough. Or do you   
    believe they can individually buy insurance for a price in the   
    range of business? Do you know what it will cost them? Do you   
    pay them enough to have a middle class standard of living and   
    pay for insurance?   
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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