BK>>   OTOH, if you beleive the way you appear to, you really should   
    BK>>   advocate eliminating social security, medicare, medicaid, and   
    BK>>   teh mandate that hospitals provide care in the ER even to those   
    BK>>   who can't pay.   
      
    JM> Give me the money taken from me and put in So-So security   
    JM> so I can invest it my self and I would be ecstatic if we   
      
    Every year or two I get a statement of all I have paid into   
    social security since my first payment. Back about 1999 or 2000   
    someone said much what you did on a local radio program. So I   
    got out my statements and calculated out how much was actually   
    paid in. Then I got the stats for the years they cited, it was   
    from the year their fund started, until that year, which was 45   
    years after the start of the fund. They calculated out the   
    average person would have something like $3mill in the fund if   
    they averaged out the annual contribution. I used the actual   
    figures for that period, and calculated the total based on their   
    rate of 14%/yr, while the market average was 10%/yr. The total   
    actual result was about 10% of what they figured. Which was   
    about what it would take to pay real world social security.   
      
    If you think you have special investing talents, then you must   
    think others have lesser talents to get that 10% average. IOW,   
    you are willing to condemn others to a lesser level of living so   
    you can have what you believe would be a better standard for   
    you.   
      
    JM> did away with the social security, medicare, medicaid, and   
    JM> the mandate that hospitals provide care in the ER even to   
    JM> those  who can't pay.   
      
    IOW, die quietly. You just admitted to wanting the republican   
    plan I described.   
      
    BK>>   IOW, pass the republican healthcare plan, die quietly.   
      
    JM> Only truly demented person would actually believe that is   
    JM> the case.   
      
    Only a truly deluded person would actually believe that is not   
    the case.   
      
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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