JM>>> No it isn't.  No one has a right to a portion of someone   
    JM>>> else's live.   
      
    BK>>   Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Remember?   
      
    JM> Is in the Preamble and has NO weight of Law.   
      
    It has moral weight. Much of what you oppose does have weight in   
    law, but I am supporting it because of it's moral weight.   
      
    ...   
      
    BK>>>>   churches, and only abandoned when employers could muster enough   
    BK>>>>   power to break that history.   
      
    JM>>> Oh those evil employers, just have  to have someone to   
    JM>>> blame.   
      
    BK>>   So, do you believe in the conservative health care plan, die   
    BK>>   quietly?   
      
    JM> DO you believe that is the conservative plan?   
      
    Yes. At least, that is the plan you seem to advocate. And that   
    will be the result if the right wing plans actually supported in   
    congress are enacted.   
      
    BK>>>>   It is a right enshrined in Christain teaching.   
      
    JM>>>>> claim to free service that some one has to provide.  Kinda   
      
    BK>>>>   Non-sequitur. NO one is talking about any free service.   
      
    JM> Yeah I know the doctors get paid.   
      
    JM> That is such  a shallow dodge.   
      
    No, your claim to "free service" is the shallow dodge. Given a   
    society with low unemployment, and immigration under control,   
    everyone will pay his way except the most extreme handicapped.   
      
    So, it won't be free service, just paid for.   
      
    BK>>>>   OTOH, someone has to provide you with fire protection, police   
    BK>>>>   protection, military protection, and far more forms of   
    BK>>>>   protection than any of us really know. Next time you fly on an   
    BK>>>>   airliner just hope the government is still providing you with   
    BK>>>>   protection on aircraft.   
      
    JM>>> Those are whole different issues.   
      
    BK>>   The principle is the same, you require others provide those   
    BK>>   services.   
      
    JM> And I an willing to pay for those. I am not willing to pay   
    JM> for someone to sorry to take care of their own healthcare's   
    JM> medical bills.   
      
    Like I said, that's the "die quietly" health care plan.   
      
    JM> Not really, Take the case of the local Volunteer Fire   
    JM> Departments where there is a yearly fee to support the   
    JM> department. If you don't pay the fee the VFD can and should   
    JM> let the property burn.   
      
    Which doesn't really answer anything. You may pay a portion of   
    the VFD's cost, but it's a small portion. You need others to pay   
    the rest, if you want the service to exist at all.   
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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