On 7/15/2012 6:54, BOB KLAHN -> JOHN MASSEY wrote:   
      
      
    BK>   Nope. In the 1st world nations with national health care people   
    BK>   get medical care when they need it,   
      
   Or any where from weeks to months later. I needed an MRI after the motorcycle   
   accident (not in an er but later) I got it the next day.   
   I hear people waiting for months in Canada and countries in Europe.   
      
      
    BK>   My doctor's compensation is between my doctor and my insurance   
    BK>   company. I would be pretty sure that is how it is for most   
    BK>   people. That being the case, those without insurance are really   
    BK>   shafted, as the doctor has a real problem with the insurance   
    BK>   company with cutting prices, and no real incentive to do so.   
      
   I assume you have never negotiated with a Doctor over cost.   
      
      
    LL>>>> Where did I say that doctors and nurses and other health   
    BK> professionals   
    LL>>>> should not be given fair compensation for their work?   
      
    JM>>> Nowhere, you just want to tell them how much they can make   
      
    BK>   My insurance company does...   
      
   Then let the Doctor and insurance company work it out.   
   The Government doesn't need to be involved.   
      
      
    BK>   Whatever you want to claim about doctors getting anything they   
    BK>   can get away with, I will say they don't deserve 20% of the GDP   
    BK>   of this country.   
      
   Fortunately for us, what you say doesn't mean squat   
      
      
    JM>>>> SO WHAT? There is no UN plan to pay for the freeloaders, except to   
    JM>>>> tax the U.S. and that power is NOT subject to ANY UN treaty.   
      
    BK>   The constant reference to freeloaders and moochers just is a   
    BK>   play to distort reality so your side can claim a win by covering   
    BK>   up the fact that most uninsured are not moochers or freeloaders,   
    BK>   they are decent hardworking people who don't make enough money   
    BK>   to buy insurance, and don't get it from their employer.   
      
    BK>   Do you provide insurance for your employees?   
      
   I pay my employees as independent contractors. I pay them a set hourly wage    
   with nothing taken out. If they don't provide healthcare for then-self and   
   family it's their problem.   
      
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