On 7/13/2012 8:07, BOB KLAHN -> JOHN MASSEY wrote:   
    JM>> No it isn't.  No one has a right to a portion of someone   
    JM>> else's live.   
      
    BK>   Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Remember?   
      
   Is in the Preamble and has NO weight of Law.   
      
      
    BK>>>   Healthcare as a right has a   
    BK>>>   history going back to the most primitive societies, with the   
    BK>>>   most primitive medicine. It was carried forward through the   
    BK>>>   churches, and only abandoned when employers could muster enough   
    BK>>>   power to break that history.   
      
    JM>> Oh those evil employers, just have  to have someone to   
    JM>> blame.   
      
    BK>   So, do you believe in the conservative health care plan, die   
    BK>   quietly?   
      
   DO you believe that is the conservative plan?   
      
      
      
    BK>>>   It is a right enshrined in Christain teaching.   
      
    JM>>>> claim to free service that some one has to provide.  Kinda   
      
    BK>>>   Non-sequitur. NO one is talking about any free service.   
      
   Yeah I know the doctors get paid.   
      
   That is such  a shallow dodge.   
      
    BK>>>   OTOH, someone has to provide you with fire protection, police   
    BK>>>   protection, military protection, and far more forms of   
    BK>>>   protection than any of us really know. Next time you fly on an   
    BK>>>   airliner just hope the government is still providing you with   
    BK>>>   protection on aircraft.   
      
    JM>> Those are whole different issues.   
      
    BK>   The principle is the same, you require others provide those   
    BK>   services.   
      
   And I an willing to pay for those. I am not willing to pay for someone to   
   sorry to take care of their own healthcare's medical bills.   
      
   Not really, Take the case of the local Volunteer Fire Departments where there   
   is a yearly fee to support the department. If you don't pay the fee the VFD   
   can and should let the property burn.   
      
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