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    JM>>The medical expertise and everything else used in modern day   
    JM>>medical practice used to extend that life is a commodity   
      
    Which is why the US has the world's best medical care   
    technology, and the worst medical care system in the   
    industrialized world.   
      
    JM>>> You can not receive that care unless some one else provides   
    JM>>> it to you.   
      
    LL>>> Our "health care for profit" system should be scrapped.   
      
    JM>>And replaced with what?   
      
    Health care for health.   
      
    LL> A universal, or at least national, health care system.   
      
    JM>>You will still have the same problems.   
      
    Nope. In the 1st world nations with national health care people   
    get medical care when they need it, not just when they can   
    afford it. People don't go bankrupt because of medical costs.   
    Before the Bush debacle somewhere in the area of 60% of all   
    bankruptcies were because of high medical care costs. Most of   
    those the sick person had medical insurance. Probably because   
    the ones without medical insurance didn't make enough money to   
    even worry about the bills.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL>>> Should doctors be compensated for their service?  Absolutely.  But   
    LL>>> how much compensation is enough?   
      
    JM>>Shouldn't that be between the doctor and the patient?   
      
    My doctor's compensation is between my doctor and my insurance   
    company. I would be pretty sure that is how it is for most   
    people. That being the case, those without insurance are really   
    shafted, as the doctor has a real problem with the insurance   
    company with cutting prices, and no real incentive to do so.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL>>> Should a heart or brain surgeon be   
    LL>>> paid megabucks for performing a 15-minute operation, whan a far lesser   
    LL>>> amount but be more than sufficient?   
      
    JM>>Who gets to decide what is sufficient?   
      
    LL> Who gets to play God?  Certainly not doctors.   
      
    JM>>It should be the Doctor   
      
    Instead it's the insurance company.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL>>> Where did I say that doctors and nurses and other health professionals   
    LL>>> should not be given fair compensation for their work?   
      
    JM>>Nowhere, you just want to tell them how much they can make   
      
    My insurance company does...   
      
    Whatever you want to claim about doctors getting anything they   
    can get away with, I will say they don't deserve 20% of the GDP   
    of this country.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL>>> Taxpayers can   
    LL>>> pick up the tab for those who cannot afford to pay.   
      
    JM>>No they can't, It will bankrupt the Country.   
      
    No, it won't. It doesn't in any industrial country that has   
    national health care, which is everyone but the US. However, our   
    medical bills nearing 20% of GDP just could bankrupt this   
    country.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL> It will save this country from economic ruin.  Think about   
      
    He's right about that. If medical care costs aren't brought down   
    they will break this country, and kill a lot of people along the   
    way.   
      
    ...   
      
    JM>>How un-american is that idea, where I have always been told   
    JM>>the sky is the limit if you work hard and smart enough   
      
    So were all those working poor who can't get medical care when   
    they need it.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL>>> Offering to sell him an apple at a price he could not afford   
    LL>>> would be akin to murder.  Are you a murderer?  Is that what you think   
    LL>>> our society is, or should be?  A bunch of murderers?   
      
   JM>>I think you are being a tad mellow dramatic.   
      
    He's not. Not in a country where many children get one meal a   
    day, maybe two with school lunches.   
      
    ...   
      
    JM>>> SO WHAT? There is no UN plan to pay for the freeloaders, except to   
    JM>>> tax the U.S. and that power is NOT subject to ANY UN treaty.   
      
    The constant reference to freeloaders and moochers just is a   
    play to distort reality so your side can claim a win by covering   
    up the fact that most uninsured are not moochers or freeloaders,   
    they are decent hardworking people who don't make enough money   
    to buy insurance, and don't get it from their employer.   
      
    Do you provide insurance for your employees?   
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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