On 7/13/2012 8:02, BOB KLAHN -> JOHN MASSEY wrote:   
      
      
    JM>> You just will not admit that some jobs are "starter jobs."   
      
    BK>   Ah, the typical evasion. Starter jobs, as a diversion from the   
    BK>   fact that people actually have to live while starting.   
      
   Teenagers living at home working for extra spending money do not need this   
   make-up "living wage."   
      
    JM>> Jobs like flipping burgers at the amusement park as a   
    JM>> summer job for teenagers, for example, do not warrant a   
    JM>> "Living wage."   
      
    BK>   They don't?   
      
   No they don't.   
      
      
    Why not?   
      
   Most kids working for summer do not have to work to support a family   
      
      
      
    BK>>>   I'm sure agreement doesn't determine truth, results do. As   
    BK>>>   unions have declined the country's workforce has lost ground,   
    BK>>>   and the country as well.   
      
    JM>> In your opinion.   
      
    BK>   Which happens to be correct.   
      
   In YOUR opinion   
      
      
    DD>>>>> I certainly do. As do nearly all economists - including Paul   
    BK> Krugman   
      
    JM>>>> So what?   
      
    BK>>>   They are the professionals.   
      
    JM>> Especially you, of all people, know you can find   
    JM>> professionals on every side of any issue. None of them are   
    JM>> correct all the time.   
      
    BK>   The economists who take the conservative side are lining up on   
    BK>   an agenda, and the agenda is not finding the truth.   
      
   You sure about that?   
      
    JM>>>> What rights? 40 hr week, two week vacation, sick time,   
    JM>>>> company car? Here's a CLUE, none of those are rights.   
      
    BK>>>   They are if the contract says they are.   
      
    JM>> No, Those items become compensation agreed upon, not a right   
      
    BK>   When you have a contract you have the right to what is in the   
    BK>   contract.   
      
      
      
    JM>>>> My attitude is not "divide and conquer." My attitude is it   
    JM>>>> is always better to be an individual than a member of an   
    JM>>>> out of touch collective like a labor union.   
      
    BK>>>   I have often told you your thinking is wrong. It is better to be   
    BK>>>   an individual, working with other individuals, in an in touch   
    BK>>>   collective like a labor union.   
      
    JM>> Might be for people that have little individuality or much   
    JM>> of a life. I would find it to be a miserable way to live.   
      
    BK>   Yet the great majority of people will live better, they always   
    BK>   have that way.   
      
      
   No Bob, They might live better by your standards.   
   Not by mine.   
      
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