JM>>>> Then the treaties are wrong.   
      
    JM>>>> Medical care is a commodity. You can not receive that care   
    JM>>>> unless some one else provides it to you.   
      
    BK>>> Oh, is that a meaningful comment?   
      
    LL>> Who has the right to play God?  Do health insurance companies   
    LL>> have the right to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions?   
      
    JM> Yes.   Can you buy car insurance after a wreak? Can you buy   
    JM> fire insurance after the house burns down?   
      
    You have to have care insurance before you drive.   
      
    However, the real point is, when your house burns down, or your   
    care is destroyed, you have nothing left to insure. If you die   
    you aren't required to have medical insurance.   
      
    LL>> What about doctors?   
      
    ...   
      
    JM> What about them?  Are they expected to treat people that   
    JM> can't afford treatments.  If the person that needs treating   
    JM> can't pay who will?   
      
    Thank you for admitting that your position results in, if they   
    can't pay let them die.   
      
    LL>>  Can they do the same?  Pregnancy is a pre-existing   
    LL>> condition.   
      
    JM> Not if it's planed. And if it's not planed then any fertile   
    JM> man or woman fooling around should have bought insurance.   
      
    Which is why the mandate is in there.   
      
    LL>> Do health insurance companies and doctors have a right to   
    LL>> say who lives, and who dies?   
      
    JM> No they have the right to determine if a medical procedure   
    JM> is covered by policy, and if not they have the legal   
    JM> position not to pay for it.   
      
    Which is why the mandate is in there. Your position leads to,   
    "let them die".   
      
    LL>>  If "medical care is a commodity" then   
    LL>> life itself is a commodity.  A commodity that can be bought and sold.   
    LL>> Or deliberately withheld from those who desperately need it.   
      
    JM> Yeah, life sucks (for some)   
      
    If you chose not to have health insurance, and can't pay for   
    medical care, then letting you die might be reasonable. Since   
    the great majority of the uninsured have long been working poor,   
    who can't afford insurance, then being poor is a death sentence   
    under your theory.   
      
    I believe if you go out and proclaim your point of view clearly   
    on that you will find few who will accept it.   
      
    No matter how good your insurance, unless you are quite wealthy   
    you cannot guarantee no one you care about will ever die for   
    lack of treatment due to lack of insurance. Remember, the   
    hospital has to admit you for a crisis,to let you in to die,   
    but they don't have to give you the treatment that will keep the   
    crisis from happening.   
      
    If it happens to you I expect you will change your view.   
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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