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    JM>>>>> Shouldn't have too pay anything to any union for any   
    JM>>>>> reason. Especially to be allowed to work.   
      
    BK>>>>   That's the free lunch philosophy. The union is responsible for   
    BK>>>>   the fact that you have insurance, vacations, higher pay, etc.   
      
    JM>>> No. Bob, it is not. You forget I DO NOT WORK for a Company.   
      
    BK>>   Actually, what I said is very likely true regardless. You get   
    BK>>   the spill over from what the Unions have done. That has a long   
    BK>>   history.   
      
    JM>  Do the unions cause the sun to shine and the stars to   
    JM>  twinkle in the night sky?   
      
    Do you?   
      
    JM>>>  I Have insurance BECAUSE I PAY FOR IT.  I take vacations   
      
    BK>>   Which you likely could not afford if unions hadn't spread   
    BK>>   insurance across the population.   
      
    JM> Is there nothing you think is good that didn't come from or   
    JM> was a result of the union?   
      
    Yeah, public education for one.   
      
    JM>>>  ON MY OWN TIME, not when it fits in with what is   
    JM>>>  convenient for a company or a union.   
      
    BK>>   Are you saying you don't have any consideration for your   
    BK>>   customer's needs, or for market realities?   
      
    JM> No Bob I'm not saying that at all.   
      
    Ok, you didn't make that clear.   
      
    BK>>   OTOH, you do   
    BK>>   demonstrate how little you understand unions.   
      
    JM> And you demonstrate how little you understand about being a   
    JM> free individual.   
      
    You demonstrate how little you understand about being a free   
    individual.   
      
    JM>>> I have HIGHER PAY   
    JM>>>  because I can charge more because of the reputation I have   
    JM>>>  built for quality work.   
      
    BK>>   And you would have lower pay if the unions hadn't pushed up pay   
    BK>>   scales in general.   
      
    JM> Again it appears you have a vision of the union as seen   
    JM> through the proverbial Rose colored glasses   
      
    I have a realistic view of unions.   
      
    BK>>>>   The representation fees are appropriate because the union has to   
    BK>>>>   represent you. If the law is changed so the union can let them   
    BK>>>>   hang you and not lift a finger then your point is valid.   
    BK>>>>   Otherwise, no.   
      
    JM>>> Representation fees are the same as extortion.   
      
    BK>>   Are legal fees the same as extortion?   
      
    JM> In some cases yes. If a person has been falsely accused and   
    JM> has to pay legal fees to adequately defend themselves  or   
    JM> go to jail that's extortion.   
      
    IOW, anytime an accuser makes a mistake, it leads to extortion?   
    After all, you don't have to pay legal fees, you can represent   
    yourself.   
      
    JM>>> WTF is a union going to represent me for?  I don't owe the   
    JM>>> leaches of a union one thin penny.   
      
    BK>>   Those who work for you would be much better off if they had   
    BK>>   unions, now wouldn't they?   
      
    JM> Not really. My help get's paid well above the local living   
    JM> wage.   
      
    So, you admit the living wage can be defined. Thanks.   
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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