LL>>>> affordable healthcare being  the first of all human rights.   
      
    JM>>> BS.  Healthcare is a commodity not a right. You have no   
      
    BK>>   It is if the people say it is.   
      
    JM> No it isn't.  No one has a right to a portion of someone   
    JM> else's live.   
      
    Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Remember?   
      
    BK>>   Healthcare as a right has a   
    BK>>   history going back to the most primitive societies, with the   
    BK>>   most primitive medicine. It was carried forward through the   
    BK>>   churches, and only abandoned when employers could muster enough   
    BK>>   power to break that history.   
      
    JM> Oh those evil employers, just have  to have someone to   
    JM> blame.   
      
    So, do you believe in the conservative health care plan, die   
    quietly?   
      
    BK>>   It is a right enshrined in Christain teaching.   
      
    JM>>> claim to free service that some one has to provide.  Kinda   
      
    BK>>   Non-sequitur. NO one is talking about any free service.   
      
    JM> No you are talking forced payment. Take money from those   
    JM> that have and giving to the moochers.   
      
    Does that mean you consider the poor to be moochers, dispite the   
    fact that the poor are primarily working poor, and the uninsured   
    are overwhelmingly working poor?   
      
    OTOH, since the Heritage Foundation created, and the Republican   
    party promoted, the health care plan that became Obamacare, and   
    included the mandate, you are denouncing all those involved.   
    Remember, the right wingers back then created the mandate to   
    eliminate the "free riders". IOW, under Obamacare there will be   
    no creation of care for moochers.   
      
    In a full employment society, with Heritage   
    Foundation/Republican/Romneycare/Obamacare there will be no free   
    riders.   
      
    BK>>   OTOH, someone has to provide you with fire protection, police   
    BK>>   protection, military protection, and far more forms of   
    BK>>   protection than any of us really know. Next time you fly on an   
    BK>>   airliner just hope the government is still providing you with   
    BK>>   protection on aircraft.   
      
    JM> Those are whole different issues.   
      
    The principle is the same, you require others provide those   
    services.   
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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