Hello Bob,   
      
    JM>> Then the treaties are wrong.   
      
    JM>> Medical care is a commodity. You can not receive that care   
    JM>> unless some one else provides it to you.   
      
   BK>Oh, is that a meaningful comment?   
      
   Who has the right to play God?  Do health insurance companies   
   have the right to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions?   
   What about doctors?  Can they do the same?  Pregnancy is a pre-existing   
   condition.  Do health insurance companies and doctors have a right to   
   say who lives, and who dies?  If "medical care is a commodity" then   
   life itself is a commodity.  A commodity that can be bought and sold.   
   Or deliberately withheld from those who desperately need it.   
      
    JM>> What about that   
    JM>> persons right to be compensated for ther service or   
    JM>> product?   
      
   BK>You have no more right to be compensated for a service or   
   BK>product than the person who needs it has the right to receive   
   BK>it.   
      
   Everybody has the right to life, not just some or most.  No   
   government has the right to deny medical care since that would   
   be denying an individual the right to life itself.  Even those   
   on death row are guaranteed medical care by the state.  After   
   all, they cannot be executed unless they are alive when strapped   
   onto a gurney.   
      
    JM>> If you believe  you have a "right" to "free"   
      
   BK>Now you built a straw man. No one has said a thing about *FREE*   
   BK>health care.   
      
   It is *free* for those who receive it.  However, providers are   
   compensated for their services, thanks to taxpayers.   
      
    JM>> health care , you must think it's OK to rob someone else to   
    JM>> pay for it.   
      
   BK>You must think a straw man is legitimate debate. Why is it OK   
   BK>for the rich to rob the poor to become richer?   
      
   Universal health care would make the costs of health care much   
   more affordable for all, not just for some.  Not only that, but   
   our population as a whole would be healthier, and people could   
   have a longer life expectancy.   
      
    JM>> It only free to the mucher class, it's not free to those of   
    JM>> us paying for it.   
      
   BK>Which is why the Heritage foundation invented the mandate, the   
   BK>republican party proposed the mandate, and Mitt Romney included   
   BK>the Mandate in Romney care.   
      
   The so-called "mandate" is a conservative idea that moderates   
   and liberals should never have even considered making a part of   
   any health care package.   
      
   BK>Which is why Obama care includes the conservative invented   
   BK>mandate.   
      
   The "mandate", as written in the Affordable Care Act, is a fiction.   
   The negligible fine of $95 for not buying insurance can be ignored,   
   as there is no enforcement mechanism in place.  IOW, the IRS cannot   
   compel anybody to pay the fine (or "tax", as Chief Justice John   
   Roberts called it).   
      
   What that means is President Barack Obama and his liberal allies   
   are evil.  By including a "mandate" that folks can freely ignore   
   without suffering penalty, insurance companies will be bled dry   
   as they continue to lose customers.  As such, within a period of   
   about ten to fifteen years, this country will go to a single-payer   
   system or medicare-for-all, thus putting an end to the "health care   
   for profit" scam we have today.   
      
   --Lee   
      
   --- MesNews/1.06.00.00-gb   
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