Re: Freedom!   
     By: John Massey to Nicholas Boel on Sat Jul 07 2012 09:46 pm   
      
    > No, I know people that think. Just not to sure the people that believe the   
    >  union line, think clearly.   
      
   Some do, some don't. Just like people that believe the non-union line.   
      
    > Then why do unions object to Right to work states?   
      
   One of the main reasons is because it will bring down minimum wage, and the   
   price of skilled workers. I don't know about you, but I sure as hell wouldn't   
   want to take a $10/hr paycut in any career I may be a part of, whether it be   
   union or non-union.   
      
    > Actually no, Nothing comes out of my pay. Not even witholding taxes.   
      
   From what I've seen, you're a small business owner I take it? So therefore you   
   pay those kinds of things after you get paid. Not the same for most employees.   
      
    > They do if they can read a pay stub, or statement. Do you think a   
    > non-union company don't tell the payee where the money goes?   
      
   When I worked non-union I payed almost $200 a week in health insurance. And   
   some crappy insurance it was, too. We didn't have a choice with that, either.   
   So where is the benefit of non-union to union there?   
      
    > Yes I do and it's a great place. Do pretty much what I want to do when I   
    > want to do it.   
      
   And the union doesn't tell me what to do or when I want to do it.. So where's   
   the comparison, again?   
      
    > And there you go again making with the inference that I might not be the    
    > sharpest tool in the shop.   
      
   You make the reference that every union member is the same. I only return the   
   favor to even the score.   
      
    > Those have nothing to do with the union... You have got to be pulling my   
    > leg.   
      
   That part of it isn't at all. That part is completely the individual's fault.   
   The bad part of the union is that they are required to protect those people,   
   and their jobs.   
      
   Sure there are rules that should be changed, and union members usually have a   
   say (vote) on this. Whether they want their union to have a bad name, is   
   completely up to them.   
      
   If we hire a guy that can't do the job, we get rid of them, and get someone who   
   can. Those people that lack the skills to do our line of work, don't work very   
   often. It's their choice to either sit at the hall and wait for a job to come   
   along, or go find a new profession that they might be better at.   
      
    > I'd say it's about the same as all the union members that leave the plant   
    > and go to a public park and smoke dope and drink adult beverages on lunch   
    > break. Those are on tape on various TV stations web sites   
    > Just despicable. What if some drunk union welder missed a critical weld.   
      
   And this is no different at non-union shops. Stopping at bars for lunch, coming   
   back to the shop at the end of the day with 30-packs of beer to share with the   
   rest of the guys.. all happens (and more times than not) at non-union companies   
   as well.   
      
    > Oh that's right the company has to hire some one (probably another union   
    > person)  to make sure the other union guy did his job correctly.   
      
   I'm responsible for my own welds, just as well as everything else I do in a   
   days work. I'd really like to know where you get all this information from,   
   because I've never seen it.   
      
   Then again, I've never been in a unionized shop, either.   
      
   Anyways, most non-union companies that do have welders, usually don't bother   
   getting their guys a state certification to weld. So it's completely illegal   
   anyways. And if they can't weld very good, because they weren't properly   
   trained on how to do it, I think I would rather take a chance with the drunk   
   GOOD welder, than the sober BAD welder with no credentials. :)   
      
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