Re: Freedom!   
     By: Ross Cassell to Nicholas Boel on Sat Jul 07 2012 09:25 pm   
      
    > What turns me off about unions is:   
      
    > Airlines operate off of slim profit margins as it is, they have to be   
    > flying constantly...   
      
    > (This explains why they got into big doo doo after 911 and needed bail   
    > out, when the airspace was closed down.)   
      
    > Eastern Airlines, while not a well run airline, was already in dire   
    > straits, the machinists union calls a strike and they couldnt fly, that   
    > strike finished off the airline, so I guess the union saved them jobs???   
    > (The airline filed for bankruptcy, Trump bought it, and later sold it to   
    > Branson..   
      
    > I cannot understand why unions strike, while others are out of work..   
      
   I really don't have much of a clue on how those larger unions operate. In our   
   local, there's less than 1000 ironworkers in all of eastern Wisconsin all the   
   way up to the UP of Michigan.   
      
   I don't even know if striking is able to be done anymore these days in my line   
   of work. I mean it probably is, but noone even fathoms it now for the exact   
   reason you mention above. That's one of the reasons I can't see a good   
   comparison with unions like that with the construction trades. It's almost like   
   comparing apples to oranges.   
      
    > Cost of labor brings up cost of goods, maybe you can understand why   
    > liberal bastion 'Apple' has outsourced manufacturing to Foxconn (china).   
      
   I haven't really studied up on it or anything. But it looks like Apple was   
   never union to begin with. There seemed to have been efforts to unionize   
   Apple's retail workers because of "poor compensation to it's part-time   
   employees, deficiencies in Apple's break schedules, training opportunities, and   
   the selection and hiring process for internal candidates for open positions."   
      
   Though, that never came to be, and six months later began a training program   
   for managers on understanding unions and how they affect the workplace.   
      
   So if Apple hasn't even been affected by unions yet, and they've outsourced   
   their manufacturing to China already.. Why is there product twice as expensive   
   as any PC of the same calibur?  It surely wouldn't be corporate greed, would   
   it?   
      
    > You dont have to be right wing to be anti-union.   
      
   True. Though not even union member is left wing, or any kind of "thug,"   
   either..   
      
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