On 7/7/2012 20:49, Nicholas Boel -> John Massey wrote:   
    NB>    Re: Freedom!   
    NB>    By: John Massey to Nicholas Boel on Sat Jul 07 2012 07:21 pm   
      
    >>> Or is this something you were spoonfed by other crazy right wingnuts?   
      
    >> Cheap shots in the first message?  You are off to a great start.   
      
    NB> Just wait till the next one, you'll be amazed that someone can think for   
    NB> themself!   
      
   No, I know people that think. Just not to sure the people that believe the   
   union line, think clearly.   
      
      
    >> Wow you pay 18 bucks an hour to be allowed to work? That' 610 a week   
    NB> based   
    >> on a 40 hr.week.   
    >> Boy are you being screwed.   
      
    NB> It has nothing to do with being allowed to work.   
      
   Then why do unions object to Right to work states?   
      
    NB> That is our benefits.   
    NB> We pay   
    NB> into that so we can retire at a decent age and be able to support   
    NB> ourselves.   
    NB> Along with excellent insurance with very minimal copays. I don't see a   
    NB> problem   
    NB> with it at all. Even non-union you pay into that stuff right off the top   
   of   
    NB> your gross pay, don't you?   
      
   Actually no, Nothing comes out of my pay. Not even witholding taxes.   
      
      
    NB> No difference, there. Except we know how our   
    NB> stuff  is divided up,   
      
    NB> whereas most people not in a union have no clue what they're   
    NB> paying out to before they actually get paid.   
      
   They do if they can read a pay stub, or statement. Do you think a non-union   
   company don't tell the payee where the money goes?   
      
      
    >> If you like it that's fine. Not saying that there isn't a need for some   
    >> people have their hands held  instead  of  doing for them self.   
      
    NB> You are definitely in your own little world.   
      
   Yes I do and it's a great place. Do pretty much what I want to do when I want   
   to do it.   
      
    NB> You should think about padding  your walls.   
      
   And there you go again making with the inference that I might not be the   
   sharpest tool in the shop.   
      
      
    >> You are the one that needs to remove the blinders. Unions damn near   
    >> destroyed GM (no great loss)and have been the reason Airlines have gone   
    >> out of business. Unions are a parasite on hard working Americans   
      
    NB> Bullshit. The members of those unions damn near destroyed it themselves by   
    NB> becoming complacent and outright lazy. You don't need a $35/hr broom   
    NB> pusher, or   
    NB> air traffic controllers falling asleep on the job. Those have nothing to   
   do   
    NB> with the union themselves. Nice try, though.   
      
   Those have nothing to do with the union... You have got to be pulling my leg.   
      
      
    NB> The majority of people I've talked to that work non-union in   
    NB> construction only   
    NB> have one excuse for not being union.. and that's because they don't want   
   to   
    NB> have to succomb to random piss tests. How's that for your "hard working   
    NB> Americans?"   
      
   I'd say it's about the same as all the union members that leave the plant and   
   go to a public park and smoke dope and drink adult beverages on lunch break.   
   Those are on tape on various TV stations web sites   
   Just despicable. What if some drunk union welder missed a critical weld. Oh   
   that's right the company has to hire some one (probably another union person)    
   to make sure the other union guy did his job correctly.   
      
      
      
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