On 7/7/2012 14:45, Nicholas Boel -> John Massey wrote:   
    NB>    Re: Freedom!   
    NB>    By: John Massey to BOB KLAHN on Sat Jul 07 2012 12:58 pm   
      
    >> Might be for people that have little individuality or much of a life. I   
    >> would find it to be a miserable way to live.   
      
    NB> How do you know this?   
      
   I know a blowtorch will burn you with out actually holding it to my hand.   
      
      
    NB> Have you ever done it?   
      
   Done what? Been a member of a union? I'm never been that desperate for work.   
      
    NB> Or is this something you were spoonfed by other crazy right wingnuts?   
      
   Cheap shots in the first message?  You are off to a great start.   
      
      
    NB> I happen to be a union Ironworker as of about 5-6 years ago. My life   
   didn't   
    NB> change one bit, except that I went through an apprenticeship in order to   
    NB> learn the trade, I pay ~$50 a month for dues for ~$10 more an hour than   
   what I   
    NB> made  previously in non-union construction.   
      
   And   
      
      
    NB> I'm not required to go to union meetings (which 99% of the time I don't   
    NB> attend unessl there's some kind of major vote), yet I *am* required to   
   pay in   
    NB> $9/hr for my health benefits, $5/hr for my pension,  $4/hr for my annuity,   
    NB> some change for the apprenticeship program, and a few other things. The   
   only   
    NB> people I have to leave my individuality for are the people I'm directly   
   working   
    NB> with,  so that we make sure we ALL leave work safely to our families on a   
   daily   
    NB> basis.   
      
   Wow you pay 18 bucks an hour to be allowed to work? That' 610 a week based on   
   a 40 hr.week.   
   Boy are you being screwed.   
      
      
    NB> So how does this make anything about it miserable?   
      
   If you like it that's fine. Not saying that there isn't a need for some people   
   have their hands held  instead  of  doing for them self.   
      
      
      
    NB> Or are you only   
    NB> spouting off at the mouth what you hear about the public sector unions?   
   GM even?   
    NB> Either way, you should probably remove your blinders and look at the   
   broad picture   
    NB> here. There's not much difference when it comes to construction trades   
   being   
    NB> union or non-union.   
      
   You are the one that needs to remove the blinders. Unions damn near destroyed   
   GM (no great loss)and have been the reason Airlines have gone  out of   
   business. Unions are a parasite on hard working Americans   
      
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