On 7/7/2012 3:38, BOB KLAHN -> JOHN MASSEY wrote:   
      
    LL>>> affordable healthcare being  the first of all human rights.   
      
    JM>> BS.  Healthcare is a commodity not a right. You have no   
      
    BK>   It is if the people say it is.   
      
   No it isn't.  No one has a right to a portion of someone else's live.   
      
      
    BK>   Healthcare as a right has a   
    BK>   history going back to the most primitive societies, with the   
    BK>   most primitive medicine. It was carried forward through the   
    BK>   churches, and only abandoned when employers could muster enough   
    BK>   power to break that history.   
      
   Oh those evil employers, just have  to have someone to blame.   
      
    BK>   It is a right enshrined in Christain teaching.   
      
    JM>> claim to free service that some one has to provide.  Kinda   
      
    BK>   Non-sequitur. NO one is talking about any free service.   
      
   No you are talking forced payment. Take money from those that have and giving   
   to the moochers.   
      
      
      
    BK>   OTOH, someone has to provide you with fire protection, police   
    BK>   protection, military protection, and far more forms of   
    BK>   protection than any of us really know. Next time you fly on an   
    BK>   airliner just hope the government is still providing you with   
    BK>   protection on aircraft.   
      
   Those are whole different issues.   
      
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