MM> I do support the idea of the labor movement for fair wages   
    MM> and a quality work enviroment, but it seems unions protect   
    MM> ineffective workers over quality workers where if you   
    MM> molest a kid, call someone a N* or assault someone that   
    MM> would be the only way you could ever get fired.   
      
    That is true for management. I've seen incompetent management   
    held on for a very long time simply because firing him would   
    mean someone would have to admit to making a mistake.   
      
    There are very few truly ineffective workers, but it's not   
    unusual for workers to be ineffecitve at one position but quite   
    effective at another. I've seen that. We had a woman who worked   
    in packing who was very good, but failed completely as a   
    mechanic.   
      
    All it takes is objective standards and honest and competent   
    management. They put her back in packing where she did a very   
    good job until she retired. She was actually quite slow, but she   
    is the one who taught me, reliability is often more valuable   
    than speed. She got the job done reliably, and that made her   
    valuable.   
      
    Incompetent management is the real reason you can't fire bad   
    workers. If you can show an honest and objective standard you   
    can remove them, but that is seldom found. In a small business   
    it's often just a matter of judgement by the owner, but in big   
    industry the owner is probably never seen, because the owner is   
    another company. And there are usually enough jobs there is   
    something the worker can do competently.   
      
    OTOH, dishonesty is always a clear way to the door, for workers,   
    but I have only seen one manager fired for a serious violation,   
    and he was not liked by his boss. Though I have known of several   
    fired for outright theft from the company, it was stealing a   
    large sum of money. Those who just tap the company for excessive   
    OT, some manager do get OT, or on the expense reports, typically   
    get away with it, as long as they don't push it too far.   
      
    YMMV.   
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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