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   Message 1,743 of 4,105   
   Dave Drum to John Massey   
   Freedom!   
   29 Jun 12 16:12:28   
   
   -=> John Massey wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-   
      
    JM>> On 6/26/2012 9:38, BOB KLAHN -> JOHN MASSEY wrote:   
      
    BK>> You don't even have to pay dues, you have to pay representation   
    BK>> fees, since by federal laws they have to represent you even if   
    BK>> you don't join.   
      
    JM>> Shouldn't have too pay anything to any union for any reason.   
    JM>> Especially to be allowed to work.   
      
    DD> I see. You don't believe in paying for your supper, then?   
      
    JM> What is that suppose to mean?   
      
   If you enjoy an annual vacation, a base 40 hour week, a less-than-seven-day   
   work week, etc. then you owe the union movement a debt of gratitude even if   
   you don't directly owe it any dues.   
       
    JM> I have no problem paying for my supper.   
      
   Probably because a union some where/when negotiated a living wage.   
       
    DD> The American middle class rose with the rise of unions ... and is   
    DD> shrinking as the unions have less and less influence.   
      
    DD> BTW - I do not think, nor claim, that unions are perfect - because it is   
    DD> patently obvious, even to a lock-stepping wing-nut reactionary - they   
    DD> are not.   
      
    DD> But, they are better than going back to a master and serf economy ... by   
      
    JM> You talk of going back. Dumping the union is a step forward for the   
    JM> individual.   
      
   And there, my fine right-winger we have a basic disconnect. Keeping and   
   strengthening the unions (yes, and getting them off their arses to do what   
   their original purpose was) is the basis of an improving economy and a growing   
   and healthy middle class.   
      
   Dumping the unions only works if you're already a member of the 1%. Are you?   
       
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