LL> Hello John,   
      
    BK>>> There is no forced unionism in any state.   
      
   JM>>Youn didn't finish you left off   
      
   JM>>there is no forced unionism, you don't have to join a union   
   JM>>just pay the dues.   
      
    LL> Bob forgets that collective bargaining is not unionism, but   
      
    No, Bob doesn't. Lee forgets that without unions there is no   
    collective bargaining.   
      
    LL> merely a business arrangement agreed upon by two or more   
    LL> parties. That's all it is.  Kind of like a musician having   
    LL> an agent, or a client having a lawyer.  Nothing more,   
    LL> nothing less.   
      
    Musicians have a union. Without that union there would be no   
    royalties. There would be no residuals.   
      
    The right to a lawyer is in the constitution, the right to   
    residuals is not.   
      
    LL> What unions are today are coerced unions.  Some states have   
      
    No union can force any company to accept a contract.   
      
    LL> a "closed shop" or a "union shop" - meaning that folks who   
      
    No state has a closed shop. States do not require a union shop.   
      
    LL> want to be employed *must* join or remain in a union that   
    LL> supposedly "represents" their best interests.  However, the   
      
    Since the union officers are democratically elected,   
    representation is inherent. As to *must* join, that's only after   
    they are hired, except in contractor positions.   
      
    LL> reality is the only interests those unions are representing   
    LL> are the interests of the union leadership.  The workers   
    LL> themselves have no say. They just foot the bill.   
      
    Union officers are elected, therefore the workers have the final   
    say. We just voted out our former president because we were not   
    satisfied with his representation. Union leadership is a very   
    low paid job except in the biggest unions, at the top. I was a   
    local officer for 12 years, I know how low the pay is.   
      
    LL> What is needed is a National Right to Work Law.  Without   
      
    What is needed is repeal of the right to work laws.   
      
    LL> such a law, workers will continue to leave industrial   
    LL> states (such as Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania,   
    LL> etc.) for greener pastures (mostly in the South and other   
    LL> Right To Work states).  This has been clearly demonstrated   
    LL> by comparing loss of income of folks in forced unionism   
    LL> states, as folks do tend to move to where the money is -   
      
    Since pay is higher in union states that's all nonsense.   
      
    ...   
      
    You really need to learn, without unions you had nothing.   
      
    No vacations, no insurance, no retirement, no rights at all on   
    the job.   
      
    Not even a coffee break.   
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
   ... Deja Voodoo: Have I sacrificed this chicken before?   
   --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]   
    * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 And Still Here. Join Us: www.DocsPl (1:123/140)