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|    BOB KLAHN to RICHARD WEBB    |
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|    18 Apr 12 04:54:48    |
       RW>> NOt that i"m a fan, but one wonders if they aren't        RW>> listening to some of the real concerns voiced by all the        RW>> folks who join the tea party or occupy. Don't they (the        RW>> leadership of the Republican party) grasp this at all?              BK>> The republican leaders, (not the figureheads out front), realize       BK>> the Tea Party is no more rational than any other nut cases out       BK>> there. However, they do have big numbers so they pull the       BK>> strings and the candidates line up to support the Tea Party       BK>> issues.               RW> Agreed. But, if you're not totally burying your head in        RW> your nether parts if you're a political leader you have to        RW> grok the real dissatisfaction and anger coming from both        RW> sides of the political divide.               Yep. That and the loss of the middle to those who push too hard        to the extremes. That is one thing that has been discussed in        the papers recently.              BK>> However, they respond to the hot button issues and not the       BK>> technical issues as they also understand that reason can be       BK>> stifled by passion.               RW> Again agreed, but sooner or later when you look at that        RW> anger coming from both ends of the spectrum you have to        RW> realize that you must look at the technical issues,        RW> determine causality, etc. This huge blind spot is one of        RW> the big reasons many of us have rejected the two party        RW> system as it now stands.               Don't worry, Gov Etch-A-Sketch can adapt to anything.               Third parties don't really make it better, they tend to drive        the second biggest party to the edge to ally with the third        biggest party to beat the biggest party. Single issue politics        becomes more important.               RW> Note your recent discussions in this echo re the labor        RW> movement, those who "produce" goods are the true earners.        RW> If the only way you can control organized efforts by those        RW> "earners" to be sure they're compensated fairly is to        RW> deprive them of the ability to earn that's what you do, as        RW> demonstrated by Wall Street. You have to admit, that was        RW> more effective than all the strikebreakers and goons they        RW> could hire. IF, in the process you destroy a country, so        RW> be it.               Unfortunately you have it quite right.               RW> But, this anger too will fizzle out imho. At least our        RW> labor movement gave people a coherent vehicle to channel        RW> their discontent or attempt to get a fairer shake. Occupy               Yep. As a result they produced the lowest poverty rates and the        most powerful economy anyone ever saw. Now it's all going away.               RW> with its warm fuzzies and the tea party with its        RW> manipulation of the gullible seniors will both make a lot        RW> of noise then pfft. Meanwhile isolate them in their homes,        RW> they'll play with their electronic boxes and be happy good        RW> little sheeple again when they realize there isn't a damn        RW> thing they can do about it.               They pushed it too far. When it gets to where their homes are        being lost there is no place to be isolated. That part they        hadn't anticipated. And that's where the anger grows.               RW> Welcome to the culmination of the society depicted by        RW> ORwell.               Only Orwell assumed a war to take people's minds off things. He        didn't consider the possibility of enemies so dangerous they        don't dare start the war. The wars they do dare start are so        expensive, and so meaningles, they don't really work. That and a        lot of the players have different rule books.               I see it all coming apart in the not too distant future, unless        someone gets it together.                            BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              ... Never go bird hunting with a cannon. Old Chinese Proverb       --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]        * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 And Still Here. Join Us: www.DocsPl (1:123/140)    |
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